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Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire
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#42This part sounds very similar to the traditional role of women, and it is quite dishonest to frame it as "Running Genghis Khan’s Empire": > Chinggis Khan’s senior wife, Börte, is responsible for a camp. She’s responsible for their home, the yurt or ger that they live in. She’s responsible for the kids. If merchants come through, she’s going to talk to them about economic activity. She is going to oversee or perform t…
I think part of the issue is that the title of the article is using the word "ran" in "ran Genghis Khan's Empire" to imply that Börte made strategic, judicial, or political decisions, and then the text in the article talks about more operational or logistical work. It's hyperbolic.
The reasons are obviously: precious, precious clicks.
A title like "The Women Who Kept Genghis Khan's Empire Running" would have been better.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who looks at the Mongol empire fondly?
Whoever wrote this article? Obviously, are you asking a rhetorical question?
Do you really think whoever wrote this article fondly reminisces of the Mongol Empire? If I list some positives of Byzantium does that mean I am fond of whatever they did in aggregate?
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Raw death toll and percentage of total world population slaughtered seem like the two most objective measures. The Horde win the dubious blue ribbon for the latter.
Mongol conquests were roughly comparable to the European conquest of the Americas. Both toppled great empires and may have killed ~10% of world population in a few generations. And both were more noteworthy due to their large-scale success than their brutality. While both waves of conquest were brutal even by contemporary standards, they were not extraordinary brutal. Being an absolute monster is a part of the job de…
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Raw death toll and percentage of total world population slaughtered seem like the two most objective measures. The Horde win the dubious blue ribbon for the latter.
Mongol conquests were roughly comparable to the European conquest of the Americas. Both toppled great empires and may have killed ~10% of world population in a few generations. And both were more noteworthy due to their large-scale success than their brutality. While both waves of conquest were brutal even by contemporary standards, they were not extraordinary brutal. Being an absolute monster is a part of the job de…
I think the comparison works in terms of percentages, but falls apart because the Europeans were not unified. Something like 3 or four great powers colonized America vs a single ethnic group for the Mongols (even if they did fight with each other)
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#46IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.
Who looks at the Mongol empire fondly?
Mongolia today has Genghis Khan on their money, particularly the 20000 Tugrik banknote. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean Mongolians generally approve of what he did, just like Americans today don't agree with everything the guys on our money did.
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#47IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.
Who looks at the Mongol empire fondly?
These guys.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD1gDSao1eA
Re: Women Who Ran Genghis Khan’s Empire
#48IMO we should not look at Genghis Kahn's Empire fondly. After listening to Hardcore History's Wrath of the Khans, I think they have been the most evil group humanity has produced so far. Time seems to heal all wounds but Genghis Khan sure seemed to have made a lot of wounds.
I don't know if we can call them the most evil. There are plenty of contenders, even if the death rates don't match up. If we go purely by deathrates then we should pick communist china or the soviet union. If we go by barbarity the mongol empire, the timurids, and the japanese empire (talking the one from ww2) are all good contenders. Imperial japan was so bad that the nazi ambassador to china in nanking did his bes…
In 21st century, is it the US on the lead?
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mongol conquests were roughly comparable to the European conquest of the Americas. Both toppled great empires and may have killed ~10% of world population in a few generations. And both were more noteworthy due to their large-scale success than their brutality. While both waves of conquest were brutal even by contemporary standards, they were not extraordinary brutal. Being an absolute monster is a part of the job de…
I think the comparison works in terms of percentages, but falls apart because the Europeans were not unified. Something like 3 or four great powers colonized America vs a single ethnic group for the Mongols (even if they did fight with each other)
The Mongol Empire was not a single ethnic group. The top leaders were ethnic Mongols (much in the same way as Europe used to be a family business), but the troops were mostly from conquered peoples. I would assume that the field army was mostly Turkic, as Turkic peoples were more numerous than Mongolic peoples and their societies and styles of warfare were similar.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
he is being downvoted for the same reason this article exists, pc culture doesn't like being corrected. There is a war against historical accuracy for the sake of adding in women or random races that wouldn't be there. The annoying thing is that it makes no sense to do this because there are plenty of non-male or non-white leaders to pick from anyway. My favorite empire is the Ajuuran sultanate that was a very powerf…
What portion of this article do you believe is inaccurate?
I'd take every claim in this article with a grain of salt. There simply isn't much documentation from that time in the Mongol empire.