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Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by philistine » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 5:36 PM UTC

verisimi wrote: post #241

runnerup wrote: post #175

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I'd move to 'Individuland'! Where is it? Don't tell me that states have claimed everything and everyone?! Must I accept the authority of government and rule by the worst of us? Why do you accept it? Cos you were born somewhere? Do I have the right to create a new country, and make you a citizen? If not, where does the government's right to do that come from?!? In fact, it has no right - all the pieces of paper they w…

At its core, you're fervently asking for a world without irregularities, without flaws. A just world. Our world isn't this way. It is unjust. Where you're born is restrictive on your opportunities, plain and simple.

The only way to free yourself from the yoke of the US (I presume you are American) is to renounce your citizenship. Which means you cannot enjoy all that comes with this privilege, like living there. Are you ready to do that?

And if you're wondering whether you can make a nation: yes you can. Maintaining a nation, having a sole claim on territory, and having recognitions by your peers (other nations), that's the tough part. Again, if you wish to free yourself from american tyranny this way, you need to find another nation, already recognized by the US, willing to agree to your existence as a nation. Are you able to do that?

Like I said, an unjust world.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by aaomidi » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 5:36 PM UTC

karencarits wrote: post #178

One should be aware that Norway already has very comprehensive registers and databases about the population. Currently, it has only been a benefit, I think, as it enables detailed quality control of say health care services and high-quality register studies. For example, all health/hospital records of deceased Norwegians are digitalized ten years after death and added to a national register. No way to refuse. In my o…

Can't wait for this all to eventually leak. Countries need to realize data is not "free" and has a cost to it.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by verisimi » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 5:38 PM UTC

FreqSep wrote: post #239

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I dispute your assertion that society is setup by the government.

Yes, I agree and see now that I made a bad choice of words there. Correcting it I would rephrase it to say that massive components of society are directly facilitated by the government as one example: (roads -> shipped goods, travel experiences, etc)

How do you like that the roads previous generations paid for are now being turned into bike lanes, that you pay to park, etc.

Did the government make the right decisions then? Are they making the right decisions now?

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Post by Tabular-Iceberg » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 5:38 PM UTC

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #215

hericium wrote: post #133

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> You're already being tracked by the grocery stores With cash and no store "loyalty" app - no. > wouldn't it be better to be tracked by someone who at least tries to have your best interests at heart But this is not the case here.

"With cash and no store "loyalty" app - no." Oh, but you are. You are lumped in with other folks using cash and no loyalty card. There is a demographic like you, in other words. You might very well be tracked through the store so that they can study where you go and what you stop at as well. > wouldn't it be better to be tracked by someone who at least tries to have your best interests at heart Ok. Except that they m…

> You are lumped in with other folks using cash and no loyalty card.

More than that you’re lumped in with other folks who have the same habits and brand preferences as you, which may very well be a lump of exactly one person.

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Post by meowtimemania » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 5:39 PM UTC

aaomidi wrote: post #282

karencarits wrote: post #178

One should be aware that Norway already has very comprehensive registers and databases about the population. Currently, it has only been a benefit, I think, as it enables detailed quality control of say health care services and high-quality register studies. For example, all health/hospital records of deceased Norwegians are digitalized ten years after death and added to a national register. No way to refuse. In my o…

Can't wait for this all to eventually leak. Countries need to realize data is not "free" and has a cost to it.

Is it not is already publicly known? Don’t think there’s anything to leak

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Post by HWR_14 » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 5:39 PM UTC

verisimi wrote: post #241

runnerup wrote: post #175

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I'd move to 'Individuland'! Where is it? Don't tell me that states have claimed everything and everyone?! Must I accept the authority of government and rule by the worst of us? Why do you accept it? Cos you were born somewhere? Do I have the right to create a new country, and make you a citizen? If not, where does the government's right to do that come from?!? In fact, it has no right - all the pieces of paper they w…

> I'd move to 'Individuland'! Where is it?

Somalia is the standard answer. Or get on a boat and live at sea.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Post by ActorNightly » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 5:39 PM UTC

paulcole wrote: post #61

tloriato wrote: post #9

“Hello #3576. You have reached your 1kg monthly limit of natural meat. Please consult the official list for alternatives.”

Doing stuff like this today is going to be 100x better than what people 3 generations from now will have to live through thanks to climate change. The question is whether we’re willing to inconvenience ourselves today to protect future generations - and the answer is looking like no.

You would be correct if the governments consisted of smart, very technical people, who weren't brainwashed by colleges into implicitly believing the current "feel good" narrative.

But in reality, the people in charge are a complete opposite of that.

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Post by kzrdude » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 5:39 PM UTC

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #230

kzrdude wrote: post #190

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Norway is already the country where it's quite normal to drive to Sweden to buy tobacco, alcohol and yes meat, and other stuff that's cheaper across the borders. Restaurants source cheaper meat illegally this way etc. Unfortunately, Sweden is in the EU and Norway is not so there's quite a lot of customs rules on that border.

And I should point out that this is a day trip: It takes me less than 90 minutes to get to Sweden. There are busses and trains that go as well. There might be a lot of customs rules on the border, but I've never seen them actually stop folks either.

Right, the border is chill (except for the crazy covid times, hope that's behind us). Mostly easy and fair rules for regular people. But the point is, if your car is full of meat and it's for a restaurant, not personal consumption, it's definitely illegal.

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Post by macinjosh » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 5:39 PM UTC

saiya-jin wrote: post #269

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Realistically, what is the worst possible consequence of a supermarket being able to track you? At worst, I suppose you be could be charged more for purchasing a certain item at that particular chain. I highly doubt this has ever happened, since it's bad for business. The usual consequence for getting tracked at the supermarket is getting a discount on certain groceries via a loyalty program, with zero downsides for…

You completely forgot that those data can and will be sold to anybody interested, anywhere. Much more worrisome image rather than taxing ie chronic junkfood eaters who will inevitably cost health system easily 100x compared to healthy persons.

If we are concerned about the health care costs of people eating too much junk food I would also think we _must_ curtail any other unnecessary risky or dangerous behavior that can lead to increased health care needs like drinking, biking on a busy road, rock climbing, skiing, skateboarding, endurance sports that slowly destroy your joints, skydiving, motorized racing of any kind, horseback riding, suntanning... I could go on.

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK » Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 5:40 PM UTC

finnh wrote: post #38

Enginerrrd wrote: post #19

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Ostensibly... But if you ever pay with a card, it's quite likely those with the data will be able to correlate your cash purchases with the card purchase and thus identify you.

How? Unless you input a form of ID (like a telephone number in a loyalty program) I don't see how a cash transaction can be linked to you at all. It's not like your cash purchase of 58.32kr has a match 578.32 kr withdrawal; that cash was taken from an ATM in a large, round-number bundle.

Dont forget about face recognition.