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Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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The ideological left push us more and more towards a dystopic future. Which doesn't seem very distant.

Ah yes, mass surveillance is well known to be only supported by left-wing ideologues, such as Viktor Orbán:

https://www.connectontech.com/2016-2-19-hungary-condemned-fo...

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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> Please consult the official list for alternatives.” More likely a new way to tax stuff that the government does not like. Eating too much red-meat from methane-producing cows? Extra climate change tax for you!

They should probably think about the Natural Gas that makes up 60 % of the total value of Norway's exports before they go virtue signalling to people eating meat from farms that use tractors.

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Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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> Please consult the official list for alternatives.” More likely a new way to tax stuff that the government does not like. Eating too much red-meat from methane-producing cows? Extra climate change tax for you!

this would arguably be a great thing

Meat is part of a healthy diet. Sure, some survive on other stuff, but in general, meat is healthy.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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People seem to suddenly forget that these transactions are already tracked and individually linked to you. Should we allow anyone to collect that data except democratically elected governments? What's the logic behind this?

The idea behind the separation is that the government has the ability to make you do something with the threat of force. Not to say we shouldn't put protections from private corporations in place, but they can't legally imprison you.

There isn't necessarily a strong separation, though. Here in the US, governments (at every level) can easily purchase this kind of data from private entities when they need to.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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How? Unless you input a form of ID (like a telephone number in a loyalty program) I don't see how a cash transaction can be linked to you at all. It's not like your cash purchase of 58.32kr has a match 578.32 kr withdrawal; that cash was taken from an ATM in a large, round-number bundle.

If there's a cash transaction every Wednesday between 7pm and 9pm, which always contains a specific type of bread, and a specific type of breakfast cereal, and a specific type of milk, and a specific type of sandwich filling, that's anonymous customer #5678. If you ever misremember the amount cash in your wallet, and, rather than just abandoning your basket at the checkout when you discover this, you pay with a card…

You still can pay someone to buy your groceries. :)

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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I mean, > Vinmonopolet (English: The Wine Monopoly), symbolized by Ⓥ and colloquially shortened to Polet, is a government-owned alcoholic beverage retailer and the only company allowed to sell beverages containing an alcohol content higher than 4.75% in Norway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinmonopolet

Sweden is similar - you can't buy a beer with > 3.5% alcohol. Subjectively, they improved the quality of these 2.1% / 3.5% beers. It was piss some 10 years ago. Higher percentage, "normal" alcoholic products are sold in government-run Systembolaget[1]. And there's almost no cash in Sweden. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systembolaget

It's so sad that Sweden doesn't allow real beer in the shops like Norway does.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Let's not stop there and let's profile people on everything they purchase and increase their taxes on everything that's not remotely considered healthy enough, because you know, they increase the burden on the whole society! That's the recipe for the abolition of individual freedom.

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Climate change is stopped by doing meaningful things like stopping oil exports, moving the grid to renewable energy,

Not shifting the burden to individuals who contribute almost nothing compared to giant corporations, And doing werid things like banning meat, imagine if they did the opposite, they hike vegetable prices because you don't eat enough meat.

If this happens(the article doesn't say this has anything to do with climate change specifically) it would be just a giant distraction from Norway's role in climate change by producing Oil.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Now you are tracked by both private entities and the state. I don't want to be tracked by anyone, without my explicit consent, which I should be able to withdraw anytime.

But you agreed to be managed by the government right? Remember when they came round and you signed the contract? To pay 40%+ in taxes? For the ability to vote once every 4-5 years for someone to represent you? You don't? Nor me. Governments presume to have authority over everything in their domain. The belief in the false idea of 'government' by the majority is what sustains their power. It is actually immoral and fr…

What a load of BS. The predominant form of social organization is from a majority status. The people who voted in that government are the ones who direct the government resources, and are determining what it's polices are towards the governed.

The people in Norway have a clear and simple choice; they can sit and do nothing, or they can do something. Action might entail moving the hell out of the country and complain from a distance. They could also vote in a new government, but it's up to them.

As far as that BS idea that "They are meant to serve us", no you are quite wrong. The Government serves the people who voted it in, and gave it control of those resources. That Government, in the end, has no obligation to _anyone_ else . Its only obligation is to those who voted it in, and it uses that granted power as a proxy for those people (and corporations) to enact their will. Don't' like it? Fine, do something about it, rather than complain here about big, bad Government.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Because the wealthy surely wouldn't be able to find a way around a supermarket meat restriction...

*illegally Sure, there are illegal ways around all laws. That does not make laws useless.

Norway is already the country where it's quite normal to drive to Sweden to buy tobacco, alcohol and yes meat, and other stuff that's cheaper across the borders. Restaurants source cheaper meat illegally this way etc.

Unfortunately, Sweden is in the EU and Norway is not so there's quite a lot of customs rules on that border.

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