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Post by verisimi »

runnerup wrote: post #175
verisimi wrote: post #162

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But you agreed to be managed by the government right? Remember when they came round and you signed the contract? To pay 40%+ in taxes? For the ability to vote once every 4-5 years for someone to represent you? You don't? Nor me. Governments presume to have authority over everything in their domain. The belief in the false idea of 'government' by the majority is what sustains their power. It is actually immoral and fr…

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I'd move to 'Individuland'! Where is it? Don't tell me that states have claimed everything and everyone?!

Must I accept the authority of government and rule by the worst of us?

Why do you accept it? Cos you were born somewhere?

Do I have the right to create a new country, and make you a citizen? If not, where does the government's right to do that come from?!? In fact, it has no right - all the pieces of paper they write, don't count! It is really an invention by tyrants, who want to you to think your voting is doing something. And you do!

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

lambdaba wrote: post #227
swader999 wrote: post #209

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It's essential.

Seconded. I'm on an all-meat diet and I turned my health around thanks to it. Most often people who advocate eliminating meat look sickly, because they are.

Where do you get your dietary fiber from?

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Post by mdavis6890 »

MontyCarloHall wrote: post #231
jvm___ wrote: post #90

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You're already being tracked by the grocery stores, wouldn't it be better to be tracked by someone who at least tries to have your best interests at heart vs. the grocery industry who just wants to sell you more?

Realistically, what is the worst possible consequence of a supermarket being able to track you? At worst, I suppose you be could be charged more for purchasing a certain item at that particular chain. I highly doubt this has ever happened, since it's bad for business. The usual consequence for getting tracked at the supermarket is getting a discount on certain groceries via a loyalty program, with zero downsides for…

Corporations cannot put me in jail. Corporations cannot (for the most part) just take my money. Other than denying me service, corporations have little power over me, except that which is granted to them by the government itself.

Government tracking has the potential to be much worse than corporate tracking.

(I think I'm agreeing with your post, but I'm not sure)

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Post by CryptoBanker »

axg11 wrote: post #72
cuteboy19 wrote: post #18

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Or people can just ask for help if they need it

The people in society who need help the most often have the least trust in government and don't have the means to understand and navigate programmes that could help them.

Programs like the proposed one would require trust you day is missing though

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Post by ftyers »

alasdair_ wrote: post #174
hericium wrote: post #133

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> You're already being tracked by the grocery stores With cash and no store "loyalty" app - no. > wouldn't it be better to be tracked by someone who at least tries to have your best interests at heart But this is not the case here.

> With cash and no store "loyalty" app - no. Several stores track your phone inside the store. Some also use facial recognition. I haven’t seen any store use automatic license plate readers on customer cars but It wouldn’t surprise me if some do.

In England they definitely do for parking purposes. Like, you get two hours free parking and after you have to pay. And they track it via licence plate readers.

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Post by MontyCarloHall »

mdavis6890 wrote: post #243
MontyCarloHall wrote: post #231

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Realistically, what is the worst possible consequence of a supermarket being able to track you? At worst, I suppose you be could be charged more for purchasing a certain item at that particular chain. I highly doubt this has ever happened, since it's bad for business. The usual consequence for getting tracked at the supermarket is getting a discount on certain groceries via a loyalty program, with zero downsides for…

Corporations cannot put me in jail. Corporations cannot (for the most part) just take my money. Other than denying me service, corporations have little power over me, except that which is granted to them by the government itself. Government tracking has the potential to be much worse than corporate tracking. (I think I'm agreeing with your post, but I'm not sure)

Yes, we are in 100% agreement.

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Post by Siddarth1977 »

jvm___ wrote: post #90
giantg2 wrote: post #14

"SSB claims they want a less time-consuming way of collecting and analysing household consumption statistics in order to inform tax policy, social assistance and child allowance." Aka the more we know about you, the more efficiently we can create policies to control your behavior to our liking.

You're already being tracked by the grocery stores, wouldn't it be better to be tracked by someone who at least tries to have your best interests at heart vs. the grocery industry who just wants to sell you more?

The people in government (and/or lobbyists and special interest groups controlling them) absolutely do not "have your best interests a heart".

I'm way less concerned about someone who just wants to sell me more than about the government. It's trivial for me to not buy a new package of sugar-snacks no matter how much they advertise it, whereas governmental actions can ruin my life.

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Post by epgui »

MontyCarloHall wrote: post #231
jvm___ wrote: post #90

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You're already being tracked by the grocery stores, wouldn't it be better to be tracked by someone who at least tries to have your best interests at heart vs. the grocery industry who just wants to sell you more?

Realistically, what is the worst possible consequence of a supermarket being able to track you? At worst, I suppose you be could be charged more for purchasing a certain item at that particular chain. I highly doubt this has ever happened, since it's bad for business. The usual consequence for getting tracked at the supermarket is getting a discount on certain groceries via a loyalty program, with zero downsides for…

I may be getting hung up in semantics, but calling this a sin tax is stupid. Who cares if alcohol is a “sin” or not? That’s irrelevant, what matters is that it’s a highly addicting poison that harms everyone.

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Post by androa »

tiffanyh wrote: post #182

Are the actual basket item details being sent, or just the total basket price? Advertisers would pay insane money to get ahold of data to link exactly what a consumer bought (basket item details).

Stores already has that data, and shares it with their suppliers.

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Post by 01acheru »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #45
charlieyu1 wrote: post #37

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In most countries, paying in cash is a thing. And I try to avoid paying with cards or e-payment as much as I can

You must have hella change laying around.

In euroland bills start at 5 euro, below it is all coins. So when paying cash you get a lot of 1 or 2 euro coins as change.

I change those coins into 5 euro bills whenever possible, stores always want change. Small coins go into a big jar that we use to tip people like the pizza delivery guy.

If the jar gets too full I simply donate the jar as is to a charity I know.

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