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Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#41
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sarcasm? I think most people should care about this.

because I used the same credit card at Whole Foods as linked to my amazon account my last shopping trip there showed up in 'recently purchased' and 'suggestions'. are we upset because the Norwegian government is getting the same information that Amazon is clearly mining?

You don't pay taxes (yet?) to Amazon.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#42
post #35

I went and checked various online papers with comment sections, and the comments have been massively negative to this. This is apparently not something people will easily accept, so it remains to be seen what happens.

Since when do governments care about what people think? Even with mass demonstrations they typically hardly move an inch.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#43
post #7

Can you pay cash?

There is still a receipt even if you pay cash. It's just that in that case, _only_ the supermarket and the buyer know of the transaction.

There's no reason that the receipt/transaction wouldn't also be reported to the agency. Just because it can't be linked to any specific individual, doesn't mean the data is entirely useless for the kind of analyses they are looking to make.

...or, for the kind of analyses they say they are looking to make.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#44
post #29

People seem to suddenly forget that these transactions are already tracked and individually linked to you. Should we allow anyone to collect that data except democratically elected governments? What's the logic behind this?

If you're talking about the tracking done by reward systems then that's a voluntary agreement that people enter into. You can choose not to use a rewards program. As far as I know, if you use a credit card they only know the total of how much you spent and once again you can choose not to use a credit card or bank card and pay with cash if you wish. This proposed data collection has no opt out option.

It's kind of exasperating how little people think about the difference between voluntary participation and forced participation when it makes a world of difference. Maybe we have just lived in good times too long and we have become soft, weak and amnesiac about what happens when the other aspects of human nature gain dominance in society.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#45
post #29

People seem to suddenly forget that these transactions are already tracked and individually linked to you. Should we allow anyone to collect that data except democratically elected governments? What's the logic behind this?

In most countries, paying in cash is a thing. And I try to avoid paying with cards or e-payment as much as I can

You must have hella change laying around.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#47
post #29

People seem to suddenly forget that these transactions are already tracked and individually linked to you. Should we allow anyone to collect that data except democratically elected governments? What's the logic behind this?

The idea behind the separation is that the government has the ability to make you do something with the threat of force. Not to say we shouldn't put protections from private corporations in place, but they can't legally imprison you.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#48
post #36
post #9

“Hello #3576. You have reached your 1kg monthly limit of natural meat. Please consult the official list for alternatives.”

> Please consult the official list for alternatives.” More likely a new way to tax stuff that the government does not like. Eating too much red-meat from methane-producing cows? Extra climate change tax for you!

Can’t they just add a meat sales tax to accomplish that?

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#49
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t buy alcohol at the supermarket in Norway.

You can buy alcohol at the supermarket in Norway, it's just that it's limited to alcohol of 4.5%vol. or lower (i.e. the supermarkets sell beer and alcohol cider and the like).

4.5%, no thanks. Easier to get water intoxication than feel anything about alcohol.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#50
post #3

Can you pay cash?

Yeah you could haha I think the majority of the public wouldn't care about their food purchases being tracked.

I feel it's similar to people "not caring" about corporate tracking (e.g. browser tracking, or cell phone companies selling location data) - i.e. by turning a blind eye to it as long as their services work and so on. They accept it as the norm and do not push back against these measures.

They know that it's happening and don't like it, like how they won't like the Norweigan government's decision. But they'll likely put up little resistance and move on to other things.

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