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Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? What if it includes alcohol sales? Do you want the state to know how much alcohol you consume?

The state owns the only alcohol store.

See my comment above - you can buy beer elsewhere, unless it's stronger than the typical lager.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#32
Worth remembering the whole reason this can even be suggested is that Scandies tend to have high trust. Not saying there won't be similar voices to what is in this comment section, but plenty of Norwegians will take this at face value, an honest attempt to gather socially useful information, part of a tradition that has historically functioned reasonably well.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#33
post #14

"SSB claims they want a less time-consuming way of collecting and analysing household consumption statistics in order to inform tax policy, social assistance and child allowance." Aka the more we know about you, the more efficiently we can create policies to control your behavior to our liking.

Or to tax you more efficiently.

Distinction without a difference

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#34
post #3

Can you pay cash?

Yeah you could haha I think the majority of the public wouldn't care about their food purchases being tracked.

This assumes that the scope of tracking is somehow naturally limited to grocery, and can't extend. Also, the technically easiest way to track grocery purchases can be by tracking all purchases, and then filtering out the non-grocery.

Let's generalize the question: what makes you uncomfortable about the government tracking all your (non-cash) purchases? They already know your income for tax purposes, and much of your large purchases, also for tax purposes. And if you need a pinch of stuff that's illegal, you're not going to swipe your debit card anyway. I suppose a court order will show all your bank operations history, should the government need it for lawful purposes.

So, if there's still anything left to preserve, we need to clearly articulated first, what that is.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#36
post #9

“Hello #3576. You have reached your 1kg monthly limit of natural meat. Please consult the official list for alternatives.”

> Please consult the official list for alternatives.”

More likely a new way to tax stuff that the government does not like. Eating too much red-meat from methane-producing cows? Extra climate change tax for you!

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#37
post #29

People seem to suddenly forget that these transactions are already tracked and individually linked to you. Should we allow anyone to collect that data except democratically elected governments? What's the logic behind this?

In most countries, paying in cash is a thing. And I try to avoid paying with cards or e-payment as much as I can

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#38
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is still a receipt even if you pay cash. It's just that in that case, _only_ the supermarket and the buyer know of the transaction.

Ostensibly... But if you ever pay with a card, it's quite likely those with the data will be able to correlate your cash purchases with the card purchase and thus identify you.

How? Unless you input a form of ID (like a telephone number in a loyalty program) I don't see how a cash transaction can be linked to you at all.

It's not like your cash purchase of 58.32kr has a match 578.32 kr withdrawal; that cash was taken from an ATM in a large, round-number bundle.

Re: Norway to track all supermarket purchases?

#40

Worth remembering the whole reason this can even be suggested is that Scandies tend to have high trust. Not saying there won't be similar voices to what is in this comment section, but plenty of Norwegians will take this at face value, an honest attempt to gather socially useful information, part of a tradition that has historically functioned reasonably well.

Then why explicitly link the data to people’s national ID numbers? If analyzing societal trends were the only purpose of this initiative, anonymized (or for some applications, aggregated) data would work equally well.
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