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Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

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Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#91
You asked for directions.

In this order:

1. Write a resume and publish a professional profile site. Just you being honest, in your voice, describing the hard work you've put in, the achievements you're most proud of, and what you wish for your career. 95% of networking is putting on a public face and making it public. Last 5% is asking for stuff, like jobs.

2. Talk to your boss. Show him your resume and site. Ask for a raise and less work hours. Tell him you're burning out.

3. Depression will creep on you, and it will happen before burnout. But depression will have you thinking negative thoughts, fog your brain, and drain your energy. Diet, sleep, and exercise will help immediately. Not being lonely also (dating successfully/being in a relationship with someone who is healing). That being said, depression and your life are completely separate. You could be 10x better, richer, better looking, and still be depressed. So try to keep your depression separate from your ego and your professional struggles. Depression is its own problem. Treat it on its own terms.

Everyone successful in life that I know do all of the above ALL THE TIME.

This is a checklist only the first time you do them. But from there, they need to be routine. Always be searching for jobs, always be negotiating with your boss, and always stay on top of your mind and body and keep them happy also.

That'll provide new constant tailwind, and new direction. And as you keep at it, your site will improve, your relationship with your boss/es will improve, and you'll begin to feel a heck of a lot better about absolutely everything.

One last tip on negative talk. Your post is extremely negative, just based on the word count of sadder, more negative words (stuck, unable, loser, wasted).

A healthy exercise would be to write the same thing without those words.

"I've been working hard for 10 years and am still patiently waiting for a big break. I work extremely hard, and never complain. I work at a startup and have been handling all of their programming from the day I started work."

That's saying the same thing. That's someone struggling all the same.

Now, most realists/literalists can only see the world and write about it one way. Optimism is but a point of view. But here's how to skip this debate entirely with others (like me) and yourself.

Just make it a point to do positive. Make a positive difference.

Let your negative mind speak, but don't act on any negative impulses.

So to go full circle, do something on the list of three things above to make a positive difference each day.

Look for positive, do positive, and be the positive difference. Your words and attitude will follow.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#92
Lots of great advice in the responses. I'll say also start diversifying your life so you draw meaning and connection outside of work too.

You might want to start small, pick some activity / hobby that meets periodically for some small number of hours and don't ever let yourself be persuaded to skip a turn.

Start there and you might have to rotate until you find your niche - sports, book clubs, non profits - but don't give up on that. A couple of hours in a week to start with should be very doable - unless you are encumbered by a ton of family responsibilities.

Gradually you'll gain perspective and the ability to make bigger leaps. Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#94
From what I can tell, bunch of different things going on here. The highest priority IMHO is:

> to never fully complete them and see it all the way through

Others who do have the persistence to see something all the way through, are simply, lucky! Lucky to have the drive. But there are things you can do, to improve your drive and determination, namely drugs. Go see a psychiatrist who can help you with that. Once you get a feel of what it's like to stay focused on something for a long time and see it through, you'll want to do it more often and naturally will learn some non-drug techniques to get there.

Some other things you may have heard numerous times, but doesn't help to repeat: have a hobby (could be as simple as taking care of plants), exercise regularly, preferably in activities that involve other people (I find top rope rock climbing to be perfect for this; squash also comes to mind).

> I'm stuck in a rut, wanting to better my skills and earn a good amount of money but unable to concentrate, riddled with brain fog, and unsure of my future.

This further tells me your issues aren't sprung up from your skills, but rather at a more basic level.

I can also recommend Sam Harris'es waking up meditation app which can help immensely with navigating your mind and better understanding how to focus your attention on things that matter the most.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#96
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone who has been working in a small team for 4 years in a startup has to be "good enough". Which is far better than the average candidate who can't keep a position for more than a year and needs constant help from the manager in order to accomplish anything. Maybe my standards are low, but unfortunately, I have seen so many of these cases.

OP didn’t state where they are from, but there are plenty of places where it is extremely hard to fire, even if an employee is consistently underperforming. Not saying that this is the case in this circumstance (I don’t know OP,) but the “you must be good because you lasted 4 years” heuristic doesn’t work that well outside of the US, or similar markets with at-will employment.

"sole dev in a startup" is key here.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#97
This Venn diagram covers most career issues: https://management30.com/blog/redefining-purpose-with-ikigai...

The fact is no one does the same job their entire life anymore. CS fields can be a particularly fleeting experience over 28 (tax programs end as you are no longer a youth), and many people get into the field for the wrong reasons.

I would suggest volunteering someplace local like a community center, as happiness is often finding a balance between a meaningful life... and a pleasant one. ;-)

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#98
post #30

1. Take time off, like a month or more. [1] Use it to do anything other than coding. Hone a hobby, travel, volunteer, etc. No-one will care about a month or two gap on your resume. 2. You are worth more than you currently think you are. Internalize this, know this, that is key. "I am a sole developer for Mobile and Web platforms at this startup in a very small team" --> is a desirable skill in and of itself. 3. Stop…

But what if they aren't worth more (as a dev, financially) than they think they are? They could be awful, but naively put in a ton of hours. Why do we assume people are worth more? Are we trying to make them feel better by making assumptions and potentially leading them horribly astray? Most people are supremely mediocre and there are just and many horrible devs as their are great ones.

Assuming the developer can get paid a 40-hour salary for working 40 hours a week elsewhere instead of 70-90 hour weeks plus 24/7 on-call, the developer is clearly capable of earning more dollars per hour of work.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#99
Yeah, you are in a rut. If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll stay there. You'll need to be honest with yourself about how much change you're willing to take on and at what pace. Or, you could just stay in your comfortable rut.

You want to switch jobs? You'll need to explain yourself and demonstrate some basic coding and thinking abilities to complete strangers. This sucks if you're all stressed out. Don't go banging your stressed-out head against leetcode trying to jump ship. Just try to improve your life right now. Start making tiny changes and decisions that get you ahead. You'll feel much better, and it'll put you in a better position to move on.

First thing I'd recommend is to get away from work. Like... stop spending time on work.

- Start being more efficient; get the stuff done quicker.

- Give yourself more time when estimating.

- Explain the work breakdown in order to raise questions about priority and scope. Work on the highest priority stuff; don't spend time on the other stuff.

- Engage with others. Ask for help. Identify people who can be a resource. E.g. if given 3 days to do task X, will you grind through it (higher stress) over 3 days, or will you schedule some time with someone you have a good relationship with who is better at it and can accelerate getting task X done (lower stress)?

Part of a manager's job is to literally help you do the above things. Use your manager to discuss these things.

The bad news is that you've already shown to everyone you work with that you're a workaholic. So you're gonna have to get creative in how you apply this. But you can do it, as long as you keep your performance up.

Next thing I'd recommend after being able to 1) step back from work 2) while still performing... is to get into other things for fun. You need to tap back into the good stuff. The stuff you enjoy and are interested in. Just spend time on that. Not what other people think is cool. Not for popularity (yeah, you mentioned those libraries on GitHub). But what you want to do. It could improve your life a lot. Just do what you want to do.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#100
Thank you for asking for help. First off: you are burnt out, possibly with depression. I think you should reach out to a career counseling therapist, or a regular therapist. You need some time and space to turn off work mode and just process all of this. You don't have to quit your job immediately, but it's clear that your work situation is unhealthy. However, your work may not be the only thing that's making you feel this way.

Since you're only 28, you have about 30 years left in your career. Think of the long game. You may not be great at networking now, but you can work up to it. You may not have satisfaction now, but you can work up to it. Making a plan can give you a bit more stability.

Anyone can have direction; just close your eyes, point somewhere, and start walking. And anyone can have satisfaction; for example, if your programs work, that's more satisfying than if they didn't. In other words, direction and satisfaction are a place we give ourselves to go and a bar we set for ourselves. Not only do they not matter, but you can set them any way you like.

My own way of dealing with satisfaction was first to make myself care too much about my work, and then to change my work to be something that mattered to me. I'm sure it'll change again.

My way of dealing with direction has been to keep doing the same thing while I dabble in other things and think about what else I'd like to do. Still working on it. But I have a lot of life left, and I've decided my life won't be a race to a destination, but a walk in a park. My biggest challenge is figuring out what park to go to. And getting myself to walk slower...

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