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Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

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Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#21

Come up with a positive narrative for your experience, then shop it around with recruiters. You’ll be good in no time

This is great advice, recommended by a clinical psychologist in the book "The Defining Decade: Why Your Twenties Matter." From the book:

"One thing this has taught me is that a good story goes further in the twentysomething years than perhaps at any other time in life. College is done and résumés are fledgling, so the personal narrative is one of the few things currently under our control. As a twentysomething, life is still more about potential than proof. Those who can tell a good story about who they are and what they want leap over those who can’t.

"[...] But what is a good story? If the first step in establishing a professional identity is claiming our interests and talents, then the next step is claiming a story about our interests and talents, a narrative we can take with us to interviews and coffee dates. Whether you are a therapist or an interviewer, a story that balances complexity and cohesion is, frankly, diagnostic. Stories that sound too simple seem inexperienced and lacking. But stories that sound too complicated imply a sort of internal disorganization that employers simply don’t want."

The author includes other good advice, such as practical advice on why you shouldn't be afraid to lean on your network if you have the opportunity. In essence, the original poster can frame past experience with the startup as evidence as evidence that they would be a great fit for a position at another company.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#22
A few thoughts from a person who used to feel like this, and is now in their 30’s, having done everything from startups to big tech companies, and now feels super happy with their career:

1) great job for posting and seeking help! By doing so you’ve already taken the first step to moving in a better direction, which is more than a lot of people

2) A ton of people, myself included, felt like you are describing. Multiple times. Stuck, falling behind, wasted years, unsure about direction, etc. It is discouraging and I feel for you. But believe me when I say that it is very likely you will get to a awesome place eventually. You’re in the hard part now of not knowing the future

3) Long term (2-5 years) the best road map to turn this around I can recommend is a book call “So Good They Can’t Ignore You” by Cal Newport. It changed my life and helped me build a high value career I love. The basic idea is that you should find rare and valuable job skills adjacent to what you can do currently, and then put in time learning them. This over time leads to an incredibly fulfilling and lucrative career. If this is the only thing you get out of this post, it will be worth it

4) Short term: if this job is killing you, apply to other jobs. Do this by email/text/message 10-20 people you know tangentially at other companies and just say “Hey I am looking around, any roles at your company I should consider?” That’s all that’s needed, no “networking”. Then when you go to interview, prep for them by preparing what questions they might ask and prep answers. Try to find a job that will give you skills in a valuable direction related to what you are familiar with now

Hang in there. From what you describe you have a bright future. I can see that from my vantage point but understand it may be hard to see now. You got this!

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#23
My two cents: Focus on your health first. If you're not taking care of yourself and exercising, you're doing yourself a disservice mentally. Second, be disciplined when managing your time. Put in the hours you need to put in at work, but don't rob yourself of your free time by working excessively long days. If you want to improve your knowledge of CS, I'd recommend signing up for some courses. Online courses work but if you have a community college nearby that offers CS, I'd choose that. Having a place to go and meet other people with the same interests as you will give you a small social outlet and keep you accountable.

Random other thoughts: Leetcode sucks. Think of Leetcode problems as riddles. Most riddles are impossible to solve if you haven't heard them before.

Satisfaction in a career can come from many places. For some, it's all about solving complex technical problems. Others are happy to be contributing to a charitable mission. Some just want to get paid a lot. Others find satisfaction in being part of a team. Figure out what satisfaction means to you and align your career with that.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#24
If you wish to be a "rockstar" (or even a good coder), clarity of thought and good design count for 80%-ish of a coder's productivity. Many programmers spend their time throwing gobs of code at poorly designed systems. To get to a place where you can see your problems clearly and then execute them in an optimal fashion, I recommend that you take lots of walks, daydream, throw away inferior solutions, and most of all reflect on what you've done so far and what you've learned.

It's a long journey to get really good at anything, and even at the apex of your skills there'll be others much better than you. Curiosity and reflection will be your best friends here, and this post says you're turning to them in a state of crisis. Good. Keep it up and find your own answers.

Oh yeah and everyone's right, you're working too hard.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#25
> My salary also hasn't increased much, and feel like I'm severely underpaid based on the # of years of experience but I struggle with evaluating my value in the market to determine my worth

Sure sounds like it. I've run 100+ interviews at a FAANG, nearly all levels and IC roles - email me if you'd like to chat about roles/responsibilities/comp (we can keep it anonymous and high-level).

There are also professional services like triplebyte and interviewing sites like interviewing.io to help get an objective assessment of your value.

> I've put in countless hours of work every day (70-90 hrs), being on-call almost 24/7, sometimes for straight 7 days for months despite only getting paid on a salary basis on 40 hr work weeks; being a loner helps with working long hours.

If you're working this hard, you are carrying the team. You know stuff no one else knows. You have the power to say no.

Stop working so hard. Set a fixed 40hr schedule then stick to it. If your boss wants more, that's their problem.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#26

1. Take time off, like a month or more. [1] Use it to do anything other than coding. Hone a hobby, travel, volunteer, etc. No-one will care about a month or two gap on your resume. 2. You are worth more than you currently think you are. Internalize this, know this, that is key. "I am a sole developer for Mobile and Web platforms at this startup in a very small team" --> is a desirable skill in and of itself. 3. Stop…

>Hone a hobby definitely. I would highly recommend creating something. Woodwork, metalwork, sculpting, crochet... whatever. It uses the brain in a completely different way. it creates new challenges and the satisfaction of physically manipulating the world is unequal in the digital world.

Yep. Tunnel guy [1] knows what's up.

I got far more satisfaction from tying twist-ties around my grape vines today, than anything software I've done in the past month. My grape vines were droopy, now they're not. Tangible.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31096994

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#27
I can tell you that if I were in your case I would quit the 70 to 90 hrs grind. It's not worth the long term damage to your mental health. If you haven't, you will soon burnout. Money is not everything. The only reason I would work those hours is if I was doing it to advance my interests not someone else's.

Before you do anything seek a career counselor that will help you plan your next 1,3,5,10 years. You'll need to review your plan every year but at least you'll have a road map of where you are going.

Also understand that learning new stuff that will be out of date in a few years is not worth the time. There is only so many times you should have to learn a new language and stack. Spinning the wheel leads you nowhere. Focus on knowledge that will serve you your whole career.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#28
Stop working so much. Apply to a fortune 500 company that won't work you to the bone. Insurance companies, like Travelers is a great example. Everything else will fall in line if you take that first step and stop killing yourself for peanuts.

It sounds like you are the 'rockstar' on your team honestly.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#29

1. Take time off, like a month or more. [1] Use it to do anything other than coding. Hone a hobby, travel, volunteer, etc. No-one will care about a month or two gap on your resume. 2. You are worth more than you currently think you are. Internalize this, know this, that is key. "I am a sole developer for Mobile and Web platforms at this startup in a very small team" --> is a desirable skill in and of itself. 3. Stop…

Agree to all your points except partial "nit" on the first one - Traveling slightly feels like an escapism thing for me. Volunteering and hobbies are perfect, but people tend to do the traveling more often, I feel.

I think people in OP's situation might benefit a sense of accomplishment/progress, and being recognized for that would help. But that's hard to get, especially external recognition. But a feeling of satisfaction/recalibration/grounding is definitely available thru hobbies that enable creation as suggested in the comment about woodwork, metalwork, sculpting, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Burnt-out, directionless but want to turn it around

#30

1. Take time off, like a month or more. [1] Use it to do anything other than coding. Hone a hobby, travel, volunteer, etc. No-one will care about a month or two gap on your resume. 2. You are worth more than you currently think you are. Internalize this, know this, that is key. "I am a sole developer for Mobile and Web platforms at this startup in a very small team" --> is a desirable skill in and of itself. 3. Stop…

But what if they aren't worth more (as a dev, financially) than they think they are? They could be awful, but naively put in a ton of hours. Why do we assume people are worth more? Are we trying to make them feel better by making assumptions and potentially leading them horribly astray? Most people are supremely mediocre and there are just and many horrible devs as their are great ones.
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