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Re: Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM

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Post by OJFord »

throwaway09223 wrote: post #268
OJFord wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, I don't think it does here other than extreme minority of cases - because it's just not standard plumbing. You typically have a washing machine & dishwasher hookup & waste under the sink; it's pretty standardised and it's on cold. > As an example Frigidaire, GE, KitchenAid, Whirlpool will only work with hot water Yeah, afaik without actually looking into it, of those only Whirlpool is distributed here (K…

How do you handle softened water in the UK? In the US, it's common to have a water softener on the hot water line, intended to soften the inputs for appliances and showers. The cold water line is not softened, to avoid drinking sodium-laced water.

I wouldn't like to estimate an installation percentage, but it's probably not quite 'standard' to have at all. In the systems I've known, I believe it's been on the cold-water line pre-boiler; in the scullery with the sink there pre-softener so you get one (cold) tap without.

I don't claim authority on the matter though.

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Post by oehpr »

hguant wrote: post #65
causality0 wrote: post #5

I see the point of that dishwasher for someone who doesn't have easy access to a sink like a student in a dorm, but I can't fathom why you'd put one in a house or apartment. With such a tiny capacity you're better off hand washing.

1. Handwashing is water inefficient compared to a lot of dishwashers; if this is something that's important to you, a device like this makes ecologic, if not necessarily economic sense 2. Dishwashers are expensive to people not on tech salaries. All upfront costs are difficult; a smaller upfront payment with a recurring monthly/quarterly subscription payment is much more manageable for many people. 3. There are many…

>2. Dishwashers are expensive to people not on tech salaries. All upfront costs are difficult; a smaller upfront payment with a recurring monthly/quarterly subscription payment is much more manageable for many people.

I really think this line of thinking needs to die. Micro financing isn't helping the poor, it's exploiting the poor. It doesn't help to make the total cost of everything much more expensive.

What's the difference between the Bob dishwasher and buying this[1] and financing with a a payday loan center?

[1](https://www.amazon.ca/Portable-Countertop-Dishwasher-Vegetab...)

As far as I can tell, the Bob dishwasher still costs this much anyway.

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Post by car_analogy »

javajosh wrote: post #75
Waterluvian wrote: post #69

Wow. So I'm watching the Techmoan review and it's just amazing. You've got this pretty awesome product.... up until you can clearly see the business types shoving their grubby hands in the way of UX and good engineering. Oh no no no. We can't just sell a product. We need recurring revenue. So we'll make DRM proprietary detergent pods that require electronics in each one. Ah, but people will reject that because they k…

Devil's advocate: the only reason the product is so nice is because the grubby handed business types could raise the money by promising MRR to the investors. Reverse devil's advocate: and this is why hacking is so essential, so that some of us get to have our cake (meticulously and expensively designed stuff) and eat it too (opt out of MRR). Although this does create a new kind of 1%, but its one based on merit so it…

> Devil's advocate: the only reason the product is so nice

No - the only reason the up-front price is so low, while the hidden price is much higher. This is nothing more than technologically enhanced exploitation of information asymmetry and and human behavioral quirks that cause poor financial decisions.

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Post by MandieD »

tunap wrote: post #176
gonzo41 wrote: post #90

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If depression rates in children and young adults are anything to go by, younger people absolutely cannot ignore adds. --for example, use that new blockchain smart contract to open the fridge and order some food NFTs. So in this instance grandpa would be using the smart contract to buy ledger space for a NFT about food? Because NFT's arn't food.

>If depression rates in children and young adults are anything to go by, younger people absolutely cannot ignore ads(sic). If you had toddlers in the early 00's(the only time I witnessed it), or were a toddler then, you were likely exposed to plenty of Disney Channel and the frequent barrage of 10 second commercials. Bad programming, IMO.

This is why my near two year old is unaware that there is an uncountable number of hours of video made specifically to appeal to his age group. I know he'll find out sooner or later, and that it can even be called up on demand if your mommy is nice enough, but I want to keep those little brain cells engaged primarily with the quiet, physical world as long as possible.

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Post by [deleted] »

jotm wrote: post #128
throwxxxaway wrote: post #32

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Can it be that we are just getting old? The new generation will have their brains wired to ignore ads, will be ok with devices spying on them (it will be called something else). And we will be something like that grandpa that can't unblock the mobile phone. (for example, use that new blockchain smart contract to open the fridge and order some food NFTs)

No, I can ignore ads very well. I just buy what I need after a lot of research (and sadly good/real reviews are harder to come by). All new advancements in "tech" have actually been in money making. Like appliances that require special cartridges for no good reason other than it being more profitable for the manufacturer. They finally adapter the printer-ink model, heh. Did you know most contracts forbid recycling co…

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Post by throw_a_grenade »

NavinF wrote: post #218
javajosh wrote: post #79

Am I the only one who looks at these projects with a combination of awe and apathy and jealousy? I do software, not hardware, and I like knowing how things work. When an expert in a different field glances at a PCB and identifies components, their purpose, by sight, and then rummages around a loose parts bin to go deeper, it dawns on me: this is someone's life. The same way I've been swimming in (application) softwar…

> jealousy For what it’s worth, you could do a similar hack with 5 minutes of work and zero background knowledge if you’re willing to take a leap of faith: 1. Break open a used detergent cartridge and notice that there’s only one chip inside 2. Google the number on the chip and click the first link to figure out that it’s a “I2C Serial EEPROM”. Clearly it’s some sort of memory chip since they advertise its capacity 3…

For those willing to take leap of faith: be careful about electronic element orientation aka polarity: on each element (where it makes difference) pin number 1 is marked in some way (a dot, cut corner, red wire, coloured band, ...), though rarely there is physical restraint preventing you from putting the clip the other way around. Doing this will fry the eeprom and/or rewriter (on this particular chip it switches power rails and this will cause excessive current flow), but most importantly, it might cause frustration worse than failed compilation for syntax error. Like missing semicolons, this will eventually happen to you. Just be prepared for it.

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Post by timoteostewart »

Scoundreller wrote: post #289
Xeoncross wrote: post #278

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Same goes for construction materials. So many people fail to read the wood/adhesive/countertop/screw/paint datasheets which sometimes include recommendations against the way the product is often used. reminds me of medications and antibiotics which include their own datasheets that not all medical providers cross-check against your current medications.

Oh c’mon, if I read those things I wouldn’t ever use a q-tip again in my life.

Just for god’s sake don’t put a Q-Tip in your ear! There’s even a warning on the package

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Post by xrd »

kilotaras wrote: post #264
xrd wrote: post #259

Wouldn't it have been better to use rot13 instead of this? 0xa1 is calculated as Washes left XOR 0x50

rot13 is text cipher (for a-z). XOR 0x50 is a number operation.

I know, I'm just making a joke that this looks like an attempt to hide the value behind a simple operation, and rot13 is the ultimate low cost way to do that.

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Post by paskozdilar »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #272
paskozdilar wrote: post #150

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You're seriously trying to censor one of the most influential anarcho-primitivists in the world, on the basis that talking about his work somehow "glorifies random murders"? Talk about oversocialization.

he killed several people and tried to blow up an airplane… I’m saying maybe find literally any other person to support an idea

I don't support his murders in the least. He is rightfully locked up. I just think some of his ideas are interesting. I see ideas as entities separate from humans - one human can have many ideas and one idea can be had by many humans. The ideas would be the same even if someone else wrote them down.

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Post by progman32 »

LoveGracePeace wrote: post #246
skeeter2020 wrote: post #130

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Agree! please keep up the fight. Use the benefits (like ad blocking making YT watchable) to encourage other young people to fight too!

Hold on there. Ads popping up on YT are annoying but it's up to the user to decide if they are worth the content they're watching, same as TV or print or the radio. Using an Ad blocker in my view is no different than stealing.

Toss in SponsorBlock to auto skip time wasters and Unhook to hide the manipulative recommendation feed and other noise, too! Life is too short to waste it on advertisements.

Not using a piece of a service (the ads) is not stealing, nor likely is it violating any service contact.

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