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Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data

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This is a rather interesting interview style, it seems as if the interviewer is presenting the viewpoints of the national security state complex ("we need total access to all data to prevent terrorism and child abuse") and of the major tech conglomerates ("competition reduces privacy"), aka Big MAMAA (FAANG is obsolete), but it does provide the interviewee with opportunity to counter those points, so I guess it's a d…

Big MAMAA Microsoft, Alphabet, Meta, Apple, ?

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Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data

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Proton is mired in shenanigans.

Evidence points to ProtonVPN being a white-labeled version of Nord VPN. Source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23571653 and https://archive.is/iZ2l2 (archive of relevant but broken [2] link @ HN thread)

Protonmail has its own issues that have been discussed on HN. Source: https://encryp.ch/blog/disturbing-facts-about-protonmail/

Obviously Gmail and such are piped directly into global intelligence databases, but Proton is not a panacea, and no guarantee they aren't compromised themselves.

Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data

#44

This is a rather interesting interview style, it seems as if the interviewer is presenting the viewpoints of the national security state complex ("we need total access to all data to prevent terrorism and child abuse") and of the major tech conglomerates ("competition reduces privacy"), aka Big MAMAA (FAANG is obsolete), but it does provide the interviewee with opportunity to counter those points, so I guess it's a d…

MAGMA is still a better acronym

Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data

#45

This is a rather interesting interview style, it seems as if the interviewer is presenting the viewpoints of the national security state complex ("we need total access to all data to prevent terrorism and child abuse") and of the major tech conglomerates ("competition reduces privacy"), aka Big MAMAA (FAANG is obsolete), but it does provide the interviewee with opportunity to counter those points, so I guess it's a d…

Big MAMAA Microsoft, Alphabet, Meta, Apple, ?

Amazon?

Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data

#46

This is a rather interesting interview style, it seems as if the interviewer is presenting the viewpoints of the national security state complex ("we need total access to all data to prevent terrorism and child abuse") and of the major tech conglomerates ("competition reduces privacy"), aka Big MAMAA (FAANG is obsolete), but it does provide the interviewee with opportunity to counter those points, so I guess it's a d…

Big MAMAA Microsoft, Alphabet, Meta, Apple, ?

AWS, or Amazon. According to The Economist, those are now the big five tech players.

Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data

#47
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> The safety of Protonmail has been discussed many times on HN. Lol what are you talking about specifically?

Probably the whole "oops we actually DO share IP addresses despite our ToS" followed by a rushed revision of the ToS to include that fact, among other recent news stories.

Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data

#48

This is a rather interesting interview style, it seems as if the interviewer is presenting the viewpoints of the national security state complex ("we need total access to all data to prevent terrorism and child abuse") and of the major tech conglomerates ("competition reduces privacy"), aka Big MAMAA (FAANG is obsolete), but it does provide the interviewee with opportunity to counter those points, so I guess it's a d…

> There's no justification for Gestapo/NKVD authoritarianism and mass surveillance tactics.

I think many people are missing the point and see the issue as "Governments trying to get capabilities".

No, they always had the capability because of lower population, slower communication, more effective mass media and information bubbles. Now, they're losing this capability, and want to keep their abilities while making them automated & cheaper.

Also, there's CryptoAG stuff, which is the same thing, but international.

Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data

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The one they rolled out yesterday was pretty good. Including phone apps. Now just waiting for the the iOS calendar to finally be released.

It looked nice, but it was essentially the same UI. But I didn't try the new phone apps, they were really bad in the past.

I'm on android.. phone app is great

Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data

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post #43

Proton is mired in shenanigans. Evidence points to ProtonVPN being a white-labeled version of Nord VPN. Source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23571653 and https://archive.is/iZ2l2 (archive of relevant but broken [2] link @ HN thread) Protonmail has its own issues that have been discussed on HN. Source: https://encryp.ch/blog/disturbing-facts-about-protonmail/ Obviously Gmail and such are piped directly into gl…

Proton .... the Fed honeypot that nobody wants to talk about, except, some sane and rational people who have looked at the evidence.
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