Email and calendar aren't the things that keep people on Google, it's Docs etc. You can get good email and calendar anywhere. If their plan is really to take on Google, that's the bits they need to target.
Proton is trying to become Google without your data
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Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data
#32This is a rather interesting interview style, it seems as if the interviewer is presenting the viewpoints of the national security state complex ("we need total access to all data to prevent terrorism and child abuse") and of the major tech conglomerates ("competition reduces privacy"), aka Big MAMAA (FAANG is obsolete), but it does provide the interviewee with opportunity to counter those points, so I guess it's a d…
Big MAMAA
Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data
#33Definitely plan to stick to proton for the long run.
Don't think they'll keep me private & safe...but I do think they'll try harder & more earnestly than the rest of the gang attempting it.
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#34But they'll give your data away if asked.
Exactly, which leads me to the spiral of what's the point? If there is nothing truly encrypted, then what do they really offer?
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#36But they'll give your data away if asked.
The value of proton is not that they'll break the law for you -- they absolutely will not. They are bound by the laws of the land, and when compelled will hand over all the data they are required.
The value IS that they simply don't have that much data. All your emails are encrypted at rest with a key they can't read. All your data is stored in such a way that they can't decrypt it on demand.
Think about it. When Microsoft gets served a FISMA warrant, everything they have is stored in plaintext, so they have to hand it all over. With Proton, all they have is your IP, the date you created your account, the last login date, potentially the subject lines of any messages in their mail queue, and that's about it.
Nobody is going to risk their business to help people hide from law enforcement, and anybody that says they will is probably lying to you.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Obviously it's not been exposed, yet. That said, I think it's pretty safe to assume in the post-lavabit world that these companies are fronts for Western intelligence. We clearly don't live in a world that respects privacy anymore, take the recent "anti-csm" bullshit the EU is pushing. Personally, I won't need proof to seriously doubt this, tutanota, etc. Yes, your data may be more hidden, but it would be used as evi…
Do you think the same thing about Signal?
Yes, especially since Moxi cashed out and bought a big mansion after they released their spy-coin cryptocurrency.
Re: Proton is trying to become Google without your data
#38This is a rather interesting interview style, it seems as if the interviewer is presenting the viewpoints of the national security state complex ("we need total access to all data to prevent terrorism and child abuse") and of the major tech conglomerates ("competition reduces privacy"), aka Big MAMAA (FAANG is obsolete), but it does provide the interviewee with opportunity to counter those points, so I guess it's a d…
Big MAMAA Microsoft, Alphabet, Meta, Apple, ?
...Amazon?
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#39They should take some hints from the Gmail UI. The last Protonmail UI update was just new styles, but still as clunky as before.
The one they rolled out yesterday was pretty good. Including phone apps. Now just waiting for the the iOS calendar to finally be released.
It looked nice, but it was essentially the same UI.
But I didn't try the new phone apps, they were really bad in the past.
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#40I have been a ProtonMail user for a long time but have yet to make it my default email provider. The main problem is that I keep an email archive of all my emails: all sent and most received since 1995. It is 17Gb. I've imported it into Gmail, and it is instantly searchable. With ProtonMail, such a search must happen on the client-side due to encryption. I suspect it will not work very well.