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Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I…

> anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. If this is like my other Logitech keyboards, that's about 2.1 years.

...and if this is like my other Logitech peripherals, it's > 10 years.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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No. Logitech sometimes push firmware updates for their receivers for security reasons. While my G700 is also capable of firmware updates, they didn't push anything to it since I bought it a decade ago.

The Logitech unifying receiver is FUBAR and no firmware updates will remedy that.

That's a pretty strong opinion on something so widely deployed and can work without any problems in a place which is very polluted with radio traffic and jamming in some frequencies.

I had a Microsoft Bluetooth mouse which constantly lost connection where I live. No Logitech receiver even skipped in that place.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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If technically feasibly, I would pay a premium for every single device and peripheral to be wireless. I want my desk to be 100% free of clutter and cables and am willing to live with having to recharge devices, paying a premium and am not at all concerned that someone would hack my wireless webcam.

With wireless charging and desk mats you may not even need to plug them in to charge them anymore.

And some of them just have a crazy good battery life.

I have a desktop Windows setup (connected directly to monitors, no dock) + laptop-connected-to-the-dock macbook setup, both connected to the same monitors. The two keyboards I use are wireless HHKB Pro Hybrid and wireless Apple Magic Keyboard (along with Apple's dedicated trackpad).

HHKB has an ok battery life, I swap out batteries about once every few weeks or so. The connection is fine, but I have to manually wake it up with a dedicated button after it goes to sleep, and it takes about 5 seconds to connect, and it doesn't always work on the first try. At worst, after another try, it works fine. Initial pairing process was a bit meh, but it wasn't terrible.

But Apple's keyboard is some sort of black magic when it comes to both battery life and connectivity (same with their trackpad tbh). I plug it in to charge maybe once every couple of months, and even then it doesn't get close to being fully drained (usually around 15-20% left by that point). And that's despite me using it for my full-time job. The connectivity is also wildly good. No need to hold a button to wake it up, I just press any key and it connects in a couple of seconds just flawlessly. Initial pairing or switching between different devices is braindead easy too (which I do daily, to switch between my personal and work macbooks). I just connect it to whichever machine I want to use it with using the included cable, then disconnect, and it is automatically wirelessly paired to that machine. It is just remarkable that I have been doing it for almost 2 years now, and not once have I had even a single hiccup.

Using Apple's keyboard was what convinced me to switch my Windows one to wireless as well (had a wired HHKB Pro 2 before that). No wires is just so convenient. And with the only downside being that sometimes my current HHKB sometimes takes 5 seconds to connect after waking up from sleep, it ended up being totally worth it (and with the Apple's MKB, there were zero downsides for me at all).

And I am saying this as someone who used to be all about wired-only mechanical keyboards for years and I still have a few with MX Reds/Browns/Blues sitting in my old equipment box.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Bizarre how a rechargeable keyboard without an intentionally user serviceable battery has a specs section titled "sustainability".

Also, their switches aren't hot swappable so if one stops working (or even becomes just a bit finicky) consumers are likely to throw the whole thing out.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Am I the only one that likes the _idea_ of customizable keyboards, but just can't stand how the mechanical keyboarsd feel? I wish the customization options and custom keycaps, etc. would trickle to down to the non-mechanical market. I understand that's not where the money (probably) is, but I actively dislike the noise and physical feeling of mechanical keyboards, but would _love_ to be able to build and customize on…

> I wish the customization options and custom keycaps, etc. would trickle to down to the non-mechanical market.

Just get a 3D printer and all your cheap, completely custom keycap desires will be answered...

https://github.com/riskable/keycap_playground

I'm typing on Keycap Playground keycaps right now:

https://gfycat.com/costlyglaringhyracotherium

Also, that gif is of my completely custom analog hall effect keyboard that uses 3D printed Void Switches which you can also customize to your heart's delight:

https://github.com/riskable/void_switch

(Make them feel however you like since the design is parametric and you can customize the feel by changing the total travel, distance between the magnets at rest, etc)

For reference, I'm spending most of my time working on the firmware so that I can start selling some (though "the plan" is mostly surrounding selling PCBs/kits and "print it your damned self!" hehe). Here's the numpad I've been working on lately (to develop the firmware):

https://gfycat.com/softfixedfanworms

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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I miss the K810 for it's perfect flatness. I've since switched to a lenovo thinkpad wireless trackpoint keyboard. It's flat, compact and awesome. I'd suggest to check it out.

Will check - I loved the keyboard on my X220. Do you use the trackpoint still?

Yeah I do use it sometimes.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I…

Does "use-it-till-it-dies" mean if a single switch goes bad you'll just buy a whole new keyboard? If so, I recommend not spending so much on a mechanical as the ability to swap individual switches is one of the main things you're paying for.

If a single switch goes bad after 15 years of constant usage, I wouldn't feel so bad, to be honest. Considering the worst membrane keyboard I have is going strong after 10 years (which is a Microsoft keyboard), I believe this G710+ can last much more than that.

We have 20+ year old keyboards at office which are going strong and some are even connected via DIN to USB adapters.

So a good mechanical switch like a Cherry MX cannot be killed in a reasonable amount of time even if you use it daily without abusing it, if there's no defect in production.

I didn't change a Logitech peripheral due to malfunction until now. Some of these are used daily, non stop.

So, I'm not expecting this G710+ to apply for retirement soon.

Wait, is my i key not registering? Nope, just joking. :)

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I…

I own a DasKeyboard with MX Browns and it's my daily driver at work. I prefer MX Blue switches (or even MX Greens) because I grew up in the old buckling spring era of IBM keyboard dominance (my home keyboard is an old Model M from the late 90s). I would use a clicky keyboard at work, but my coworkers don't like it, so I stick with the browns. I HIGHLY recommend the DasKeyboard. It's hefty, and I installed a custom ke…

I tried a DasKeyboard and found that certain keys would "catch" against the side of other keys due to spacing issues between the keys and the angle of attack of my fingers while typing - enough that it would occasionally prevent the key from registering. Swapped it out for another keyboard of the same make/model and had the same issue with the same keys and another couple of keys. Not sure if that's an issue with my particular way of typing or the build quality, or both.

Ended up returning it and going back to my WASD Code keyboard with MX Browns and just getting a different keycap set for it. It's a similar price to the DasKeyboard (and this Logitech one), and for individually backlit keys that seems to be the common price point. Pretty easy to dismantle and clean as well, so I definitely recommend it.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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> Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. You can get a cheaper no-fuss mechanical keyboard from reputable brands with respectable components for far less than this logitech keyboard is being sold. From the top of my mind, Akko keyboards are quite nice, and most of their products sell for $50 less. You'd need to be completely, utterly clueless to go to Logitech for…

I like this one that seems similar to the logitech "mini" one. https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k3-wireless-mecha... It's low profile, has replaceable switches, can use a cable or bluetooth, is a fair price and has worked really well.

Wow - that’s only half the price!

What’s the battery life like, and how fast is the wake up time? (I’m a Mac user in case it matters. )

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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OSX is 15% market share? Why would they make an entirely separate version on a new line of products just to cater to that, considering the fix you mentioned works for, well anyone not using VMs. (Typed this on a Ducky remapped for OSX)

It's certainly not 15% marketshare among premium corporate users. I bet if you condition on the company spending at least $700/unit on laptops for their employees, Apple's marketshare is more like 70%.

And they're buying the shitty Apple keyboards to go along with them. It's not realistic for Logitech to target the "we screwed up where the modifier keys are" aka "Apple layout" market on their first launch.
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