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https://thegrayzone.com/tag/adrian-zenz/
Posting a link to a random shady site with lots of propaganda-like articles does not constitute as an argument.
Unlike the article we are all in the comment section of right?
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Where are the death camps? The gas chambers? This comment has no place on HN for sheer idiocy and sensationalism.
Gaza itself is an open air internment camp, under Israeli occupation; they use illegal munitions on civilian targets, and claim that its extremist reside within those homes. Their is a literal wall surrounding all of Gaza in order to keep them in place, and you have the audacity to make such a claim?
Any aid that tries to come results in the same situation: volunteers get killed illegally by the Israeli military as expansion into the West bank continues.
Just because YOU refuse to acknowledge the Crimes doesn't mean they don't take place.
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The calls for affirmative action against China had a very low probability of bearing fruit beforehand, but since the Russian invasion of Ukraine I would put them at 0% - no sane politician wants to do anything that will push the Chinese further into common ground with Russia.
I'm no expert, but as far as I can tell, the decision to do anything about China comes from the population of their main trade partner the US—specifically depending on whether those people ever decide that they can do fine without cheap tech and tsatskes from China.
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I'm confused. Is your point that the rates in Xinjiang of forced sterilization and IUD implantation--in the general population, not merely in prisons--is equivalent to the rates of forced sterilization in American prison populations? I think that's exceedingly unlikely; there's no pattern of forced sterilization in American prison populations, though indeed a shameful history of such practices (e.g. https://www.thegu…
See, this is a common pattern in anything involving Adrian Zenz: by throwing together two facts, the growing usage of contraceptives - itself a healthy trend in a region where it’s common to have lots of kids (one child policy didn’t apply to Uighurs) - and several cases of forced sterilization, he gets to conclusion of “population-wide forced sterilization” - which is not supported by factual evidence. As for “what…
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From the Hacker News Guidelines: "Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading."
I have a big issue with this rule, especially if it's about my own comment: People downvoted my comment without giving a feedback about what they don't like. How should I better myself in this case? I'm not saying that these votes are unjustified, I would just like to know why I received them. I wasn't trolling or insulting someone, so it's not like my comment is objectively bad. As soon as I added my edit to ask why…
I'm always surprised how little interest there seems to be from the international muslim community in the Xinjiang situation, given that at least parts of it really blow up over even minor anti-Islam actions by single individuals quite regularly. The actions of China seem at least in part aimed at extinguishing Islam as a religion in the region, which would seem far worse than some person drawing a cartoon. But maybe…
You're not imagining this — Muslim countries support China. See this map of a UN vote to condemn China's treatment of Uyghurs in Xinjiang[1]. You'll notice that every Muslim country that didn't abstain defended China. In fact the only countries that condemned China are countries that are militarily allied with the United States.
If you look at any of the "NGOs" that push the narrative that China is oppressing Muslims in Xinjiang, every single one of them is funded either by the National Endowment for Democracy[2][3][4] (an arm of the US State Department notorious for pushing regime change in countries the US doesn't like) or the Australian Strategic Policy Initiative, which in turn is sponsored by several US arms manufacturers[5], such as Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, etc. — all of whom would profit massively from a war with China, for which this narrative is manufacturing consent.
Even the site that spawned this discussion seems to be associated with Adrian Zenz. A lot of the claims in Xinjiang can be traced back to his "work". He's a fundamentalist Christian bigot, is a fellow at the "Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation" and claims to have been sent on a mission by God himself to destroy the Communist Party of China. His "work" has been thoroughly debunked many times over.[6]
Frankly, the narrative is bullshit. The Muslim world that has suffered massively at the hands of US imperialism can see right through it and votes accordingly. China has never invaded or bombed any Muslim country. The US has no credibility in the Muslim world.
[1]: https://graphics.axios.com/2020-10-06-china-uyghur-statement...
[2]: https://www.ned.org/region/asia/xinjiang-east-turkestan-chin...
[3]: https://www.ned.org/2019-democracy-award/world-uyghur-congre...
[4]: https://www.ned.org/uyghur-human-rights-policy-act-builds-on...
[5]: https://www.aspi.org.au/sponsors
[6]: https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202104/30/WS608c1286a31024ad...
I'm always surprised how little interest there seems to be from the international muslim community in the Xinjiang situation, given that at least parts of it really blow up over even minor anti-Islam actions by single individuals quite regularly. The actions of China seem at least in part aimed at extinguishing Islam as a religion in the region, which would seem far worse than some person drawing a cartoon. But maybe…
I think the reason is pretty clear - Western nations can be pressured and people can voice their opinion and protest their own government's actions. Only a little over 30 years ago China rolled out its military and crushed its own citizens beneath tank treads, then denied the whole thing happened. Public condemnation against China will do nothing, so Islamic countries don't even try. Plus I would throw in a bit of ge…
So, yeah, while the Western people can certainly voice their opinion, it's often because their opinion doesn't matter.
("According to an article in The Lancet, between 1980 and 2018, more than 30,000 were killed by the police", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enfor...)
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I also find that interesting in contrast to the constant outrage about the situation of Palestinians in Israel which certainly has many highly problematic aspects but to me still seems to be a far cry from the situation of Muslims in China or the treatment of the predominantly Muslim Chechnians by Russia. It seems to be quite hypocritical by the governments of Muslim countries.
> the situation of Muslims in China Here's your problem; trying to talk about "the situation of Muslims in China" is incoherent. Islam has been an accepted (though small) part of Chinese culture for many centuries, and it still is. The Uyghurs are highly atypical Muslims in China who don't speak Chinese and don't participate in Chinese culture, instead preferring their own rival culture. That (and rebelliousness) is…
Xi Jinping has cracked down on Christianity shutting down many churches. China has other ethnicities besides the Han, which don't speak Mandarin. If the Uyghurs had no faith they would be safe.
There is little room for religion unless the religion is centralized and submissive to the state. In some sense religion undermines the state.