The Xinjiang Police Files

Some of it might have to do with both covert and overt influence by China on foreign powers. https://harpers.org/archive/2022/04/the-spies-next-door-uigh... goes into a little detail here:

"China also employs diplomatic pressure and financial incentives to secure foreign assistance in its efforts to persecute Uighurs abroad. Imran Khan, the prime minister of Pakistan—one of China’s principal allies and the recipient of billions of dollars in loans as part of the Belt and Road Initiative—has said he accepts China’s explanation of the events in Xinjiang, despite frequently speaking out against Islamophobia elsewhere. Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia, which is China’s largest oil supplier, defended the CCP’s “right” to carry out “anti-terrorism and de-extremization work” during a 2019 trip to Beijing, where he signed a multibillion-dollar trade deal. The kingdom was one of the thirty-seven nations that signed on to a letter to the UN Human Rights Council praising China’s “remarkable achievements in the field of human rights.” Saudi Arabia, along with other countries such as Egypt and the United Arab Emirates, have extradited Uighurs at China’s request, and the Associated Press reported last year on the alleged existence of a secret Chinese-run black site in Dubai, where abducted Uighurs had been detained. After an injection of Chinese funds into Turkey’s crisis-hit economy and shipments of vaccines during the height of the pandemic, even Erdoğan appears to have muted his once-strident criticism. Over the past two years, Turkish police have detained over one hundred Uighurs, including a number of activists, and deported several others."

What would you even consider credible criticism?

[0]Zenz is a born-again christian zealot who imagines himself to be on a mission against Satan (or in this case China) and who build his whole career on "uncovering" Chinese atrocities and aligning himself with questionable orgs like the Muslim Brotherhood.

In our current economy where attention is currency, he has to come up with ever more outrageous material. Now that 100% of reporting about these camps and the "Uyghur genocide" comes from one single source, namely Adrian Zenz, this makes at least me skeptical outright. His anti-China activism is so clearly in line with US interests and CIA activities that it's no surprise he gets a lot of praise from establishment media.

That is why my original comment said that Uyghur activists should avoid Zenz, since that man has all the motivation to fabricate evidence to further his personal (lucrative) crusade.

If he's genuine, that's a pity, but a this point he is unfortunately "burned" and a detriment to Uyghur activism.

[0]https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-german-data-diver-who-expos...

H-index is about number of academic publications, which isn’t very relevant to this topic, as it’s exceedingly difficult, not to mention dangerous, to gather data about Xinjang.

> this is part of the west's image smearing techniques

Smearing techniques aren’t solely employed by the west, as attempts to attack the author’s character in this thread can attest

I'm confused. Is your point that the rates in Xinjiang of forced sterilization and IUD implantation--in the general population, not merely in prisons--is equivalent to the rates of forced sterilization in American prison populations? I think that's exceedingly unlikely; there's no pattern of forced sterilization in American prison populations, though indeed a shameful history of such practices (e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/30/california-p...). Compare that to population-wide sterilization campaigns in Xinjiang: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22311356/china-uyghur-bir....

And if that is your claim, is your point that a population-wide rate of torture and forced sterilization equivalent to that inside American prisons is...acceptable?

It's really unclear to me what you are trying to say with your repeated analogies to other human rights abuses. That there are multiple bad things in the world, so we should give up on trying to criticise them?

I don't think anyone takes the American Cancer Society to be saying that death by heart attack is good--merely that their focus is on cancer. So too, critics of systemic, widespread, and officially sanctioned torture and genocide in China are not saying that other torture--be it systemic or not, widespread or not, sanctioned or not--is somehow better. They're merely focusing on one particular hotspot, where the offenses are particularly stark.

Those who, like you in this thread, say, "But what about X", are hard to take on good faith. They never seem to be saying, "Let's also talk about X", or "how can we eliminate all torture." Rather, they seem to suggest that critics of widespread Chinese torture are somehow anti-Chinese, that the motives should be questioned, and, by implication, perhaps that well-documented Chinese torture does not exist.

It's deliberate obfuscation for the purposes of disinformation, as you are clearly engaged in here.

That's how you create awareness of the problem.