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The latter has some promise of shining light on the actual situation and provide some marginal improvements on the ground, whereas the former … well … won’t rest until China is split into a million pieces post soviet style.
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There's no valid evidence of that.
What would be valid evidence? The post we're discussing, alongside the years of reporting, seem pretty valid to me.
Note that nobody claims there were no cases of the above; it’s just those cases also happen in eg American prisons.
(And of course note how simply asking a question - and suggesting the apparently missing evidence is, indeed, missing, gets quickly downvoted.)
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The torture seems similar, but the scale is completely different. In Xinjiang, it’s been at least 1.2 million people making up a sizable portion of all Uighur Muslims. That’s compared to around 800 people in Guantanamo Bay (and only about 40 remaining there). Guantanamo Bay is completely horrible and should never have happened, but it wasn’t genocide.
where do you see the evidence of fortune?? have u even tried learning about terrorist attacks against ordinary citizens in China?
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You will find similar testimonies about prisons in western countries. It’s sad, but unavoidable due to scale.
Care to show those similar testimonies so we can compare?
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071
You will find similar testimonies about prisons in western countries. It’s sad, but unavoidable due to scale.
1. I'm confused. Your original request was, "Can you point me to the documents describing systemic torture in those 'camps'?" Clearly the BBC article outlines fairly substantial evidence of systemic torture in Chinese-run prison camps in Xinjiang. Would you not agree?
2. It's possible for one to criticize the human rights abuses in American prisons--which absolutely exist, I agree--while simultaneously criticizing the human rights abuses in Chinese prisons. If we must make a comparison of scale, the Chinese ones seem far, far worse, of course. But I don't think we need make a comparison; this thread was about Chinese prison camps, and you asked for evidence of systemic torture (which I provided); that you then choose to bring up "similar" behavior in western countries is...strange.
It's almost like you are trying to change the subject, repeatedly and unsuccessfully.
I'm always surprised how little interest there seems to be from the international muslim community in the Xinjiang situation, given that at least parts of it really blow up over even minor anti-Islam actions by single individuals quite regularly. The actions of China seem at least in part aimed at extinguishing Islam as a religion in the region, which would seem far worse than some person drawing a cartoon. But maybe…
Uighurs are not the only Muslim populace of China. The largest Muslim populace is the Hui Chinese Muslims.
They are adherent of Islam, but they fully conform to Chinese culture and language, and they are devoid of religio-political goals.
The activity against the Uighurs is not anti-Muslim, it is anti-non-Chinese, and anti-potential-separatists.
See more:
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hui_people
[2]: https://time.com/3099950/china-muslim-hui-xinjiang-uighur-is...
[3]: https://thediplomat.com/2014/08/a-tale-of-two-chinese-muslim...
I am sure most of you haven’t heard the word "Hui" before.
They are 10.5 million strong, and they practice Sufism, a much softer and non-radical version of Islam.
They face no re-education camps at all.
What China doing is wrong. Period. But it is not anti-Islam.
China has another big community of Muslims known as the Hui Muslims. They practice Sufism, a much more non-radical version of Islam.
They practice Chinese culture, they build their mosques in Chinese architectural styles.
They do not face any kind of "re-education" camps.
Read more:
[1]: https://thediplomat.com/2014/08/a-tale-of-two-chinese-muslim...
[2]: https://www.dw.com/en/the-hui-chinas-preferred-muslims/a-366...
[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hui_people
[4]: https://time.com/3099950/china-muslim-hui-xinjiang-uighur-is...
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Without more context, that is a meaningless comment. You can’t just drop a name and claim “lier”.
I'm always surprised how little interest there seems to be from the international muslim community in the Xinjiang situation, given that at least parts of it really blow up over even minor anti-Islam actions by single individuals quite regularly. The actions of China seem at least in part aimed at extinguishing Islam as a religion in the region, which would seem far worse than some person drawing a cartoon. But maybe…