What does being "behind" even mean? The dirty truth of the US educational "system" is that there is no system. Different school districts offer vastly different levels of education, depending mainly on wealth (i.e., the property tax base, because schools are locally funded). When I was a kid, my family moved from one city to another within the same state, and suddenly I was way behind in my new school, especially in…
>Different school districts offer vastly different levels of education, depending mainly on wealth The data show that causation mostly flows in the opposite direction. The main determinant of whether a school is "good" is the average academic ability of the students who attend the school. And that, statistically speaking, is largely a function of race and income. Policy interventions based on the idea that school qua…
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This is the same logic behind the "great replacement" conspiracy theory, the idea that Democratic politicians in the US will encourage mass immigration so that they get more voters. However much we want to doubt our politicians, I really don't think they would change the demographic makeup or worsen the education of our country simply for votes.
If you don't believe they're doing it for votes, why do you think they're doing it? I'm not even white, and it seems obvious to me that it's happening. In some cases, people support this because they are racist, and simply hate all things white. Going through college, I had several professors that were outright about their position on immigration and how it will fix the racism problem in America by making whites a mi…
I don't believe they're going to get votes: https://theliberalpatriot.substack.com/p/democratic-dominanc...
>I see politicians not outright saying this is the goal, but they cheer it on, because they anticipate the demographic changes actually changing voter demographics.
This started happening recently as a way to get attention. Before the engagement algorithms, you mostly if not only heard about it from that elitist faction of the Democrats that doesn't want to bother engaging with the noncollegiates.
>I've been asked why American politicians keep encouraging people to come up to the US.
Joe Biden was literally on TV saying "Don't come here". "Encouraging" is misleading language at best.
>Maybe they aren't actively encouraging immigration, but the people that I met and my relatives in Mexico seemed to think so.
Mexicans aren't huge fans of US immigration policy. Net migration to the US from Mexico is very small and sometimes negative; immigrants come from Central America through Mexico to the US. Mexicans blame the US for the difficulties they have with those people, and may be inclined to exaggerate our influence over the situation.
>why
Ultimately, it comes down to the political chess game that is American two-partyism. Democrats' immigration policy appeals to two subsets of their voter base, which, most importantly, are willing to change their behavior because of Democrats' policy position. The uncomfortable reality of the American political system is that it tends to screw over people who are loyal to a party. But immigration liberalization appeals to two "swing" caucuses:
- technocracy-inclined Democrats who like growth-promoting economic policy tend to support immigration and are willing to vote Republican if they perceive the Democrats as too welfarist, and
- globalist radlibs and a few Trotskyists who view nation-states and borders as inherently immoral and might not vote at all unless they get immigration loosening.
There's also the recent problem where Donald Trump froze aid to Central America that was meant to disincentivize migration by making staying put more attractive:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/09/17/7612661...
In this case the aid was too small to be a real problem for the federal budget, so it seems easier to interpret it as one of Trump's spiteful maneuvers (see also: telling Georgia Republicans not to vote in the Senate runoff). Democrats have been reluctant to criticize this obvious foible head-on because it would annoy the aforementioned swing caucuses -- in fact, Biden tried to talk about Obama's success in curbing illegal immigration but was harangued for doing so in the Democratic debates.
In short, the duopoly sucks, support the Alaskan election reform.
Re: Kids are far behind in school
#184Simply end social promotion. You shouldn't move up to the next level of a class until you've mastered the current level. (Levels can be much smaller than a year.) Being at a different pace isn't a problem if you can just make up the time. The side effect bonus is letting other students test out of levels they don't need, they can finish early while others end later.
This solution appeals to me, though I'm wondering what the implications are. Like what does a 12 year old who finished the curriculum do for the next 6 years? Early college? Continue to go to public school anyway even though they've mastered everything? I'm not suggesting the solution wouldn't work. Just interesting to think about the new problems that would arise from it. Especially given that public school doubles…
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Would love to see the data you have showing that private schools that stayed open, or public schools that fought to stay open, contributed significantly to additional deaths, such that “millions more dead” would even be a fair comparison to the impact of schools choosing to go virtual instead.
You're arguing for data examining something that has happened, while all decisions regarding a new virus act on data only available prior. Acting from an assumption that an infectious disease spreads more if children from every family gather daily in crowded classrooms doesn't seem like an unreasonable one. I would also love more data on this, preferably before the next pandemic.
There was data from many flu pandemics. It led to the standard public health recommendation being against school closures. One more thing that just got tossed out without a moments thought for COVID. And no, COVID is not so novel that all prior knowledge of viruses and respiratory disease became irrelevant.
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I spent high school in the woods home schooled and only socialized at church. So did all my siblings and a number of people I met at college. We all turned out fine.
I think home schooling and large-class remote schooling are quite a bit different. We home schooled our kids for the 2020 / 2021 school year, while most other kids spent the majority of the year in remote learning. Our kids are doing great academically, while there's definitely some struggles among some of the other kids. This is another factor increasing inequality, by the way - we were exceptionally privileged to b…
Most people that home school…not so much, in my experience.
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Yes, people have stated that 'the kids will be fine' quite consistently. Also, all costs other than deaths have been underplayed by people in favour of lockdowns. Memory-holing this is literally insane (where insane = disconnected from reality). That's not to say that what was done wasn't the best of a suite of bad options. But I saw nothing but fairly extreme downplaying of the consequences of lockdowns from people…
one reason to close school is not just about kids got covid themselves, but they could carry covid back home and hurt those elders in the house and make the pandemic worse. it's a trade-off, I think we did what we had to do.
So why not remote school just the children with elders in the house, and not hurt the others' schooling ?
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Thanks for mentioning music. It baffles me that anyone would be blind to the idea that children could be "behind" when so much of childhood development involves muscle strength and dexterity that must be practiced. This goes for many musical instruments as well as the voice, all athletics, penmanship, verbal articulation, and so much more.
Is this actually a problem for music though? Who are the future professional musicians? "My most motivated, talented and best supported students are on schedule or slightly ahead." So it's not clear that we're losing any potential virtuosos here. If a generation of amateur musicians end up being a little less proficient in music, that's unfortunate, but hardly worth panicking, I think. I personally started playing gu…
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Well, to anecdotally back you up, in Massachusetts with the #1 public schools in the country, I hear and see nothing about football. I think I hear more about the HS plays and concerts than HS football. The last football funding discussion at the town level was whether to fund better helmets to protect against CTE or make the players' parents pay for it, so the town isn't seen supporting/encouraging brain damage to c…
And to add another anecdote, the overall #1 high school in the US in Virginia (by some rankings at least) doesn't have a football team. Sports like cross country get more attention.
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I thought so too, until I got to a point in my education where it actually required work to continue making process, and the discipline to do it wasn't there. Habits are hard to break, and forming healthy study habits early is as valuable a result of education as the acquisition of that day's knowledge. Maybe more important. The school system often fails to do that effectively, but their failure does not invalidate t…
True, but a lot of people, including underage people, are motivated by reason. School ideally goes at an appropriate pace to challenge them. Partly so they pick up good study habits in a non-contrived scenario with obvious benefits. Saying busy work is important because they might need study habits in five years is not motivating.
I think it's impossible for school to go at an appropriate pace for everybody, because all students are different and struggle with different things. Half will be bored, the other half struggling to keep up. And in my son, those halves definitely overlap.
In primary school, he did every possible gifted program they had and then some, skipped a grade, and did all his regular school work in half the time the other kids had. And now he's struggling with everything, doesn't know how to start work, finish work or plan it (despite planning being supposedly a primary focus of his school), and he gets tons of failing grades mostly because he simply doesn't submit his work or misses his tests.