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The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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This'd just be a case of yet another page that's never been updated. I think my bank's site recommends either IE or netscape - site works fine, just that no one's ever updated the required browser page

My thoughts too. A mention of Netscape but not Chrome? Has to be several years old.

They don't mention ie 7+ either. It's possible they just ignored it, but given the other browsers mentioned it seems likely that this was written when 6 was the most recent Internet Explorer.

So we could easily be talking 2006 or before.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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For some reason the corporate world is still stuck with IE6. Just recently we were dealing with a large corporation that was still using IE6 throughout the company and our web app had to support this browser.

The reasons aren't mysterious; it may be worth going over here:

1. Windows XP. XP installation media only ever came with IE6, never anything newer. Given the frequency that most corporate workstations get reassigned and wiped and reimaged, IE6 comes out of the reinstallation casket all the time.

2. Intranet systems. For most corporations of size, internal browser-based applications get the company's business done on a daily basis. Optimizing for this case is more important than optimizing for public web browsing. And these apps were written by the lowest-available-cost developers, many in outsourced shops that are long gone, who barely understood anything about the underlying technology and inadvertently rely on all sorts of browser misbehavior and bugs. (Also, the real limitation here is Microsoft-imposed, that you can't easily run multiple versions of IE on the same system, because so much of what we call IE is really integrated operating system components. IE6 for intranet alongside IE8/9 for the public web would be an optimal case but is not practical.)

3. Other browsers do exist. In several large corps I've seen, the policy (unofficial or official) is to use IE6 for the internal apps, and go ahead and install Firefox for public web browsing. The users savvy enough to install Firefox will do so; the users that don't know what a browser version is aren't missing anything.

4. User training. These are the users that will call the helpdesk and complain when their intranet app opens its popup in a tab instead of a new window and they can't find it because the instructions on their Post-it say to click on the window in the taskbar. No IT department wants to deal with that.

5. Cost-benefit, which is really a superset of everything above. There's still no compelling business benefit for most companies to buy Windows 7, so they're still reinstalling XP with IE6 all the time. There's no profitable business plan to be shown for spending time and money upgrading internal apps to work with IE8/9 and retraining users to the new workflow. Remember that these corporations are always in existence to make money. They aren't there to serve some Platonic ideal of everybody using the World Wide Web with the newest technology.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason in Germany is mainly SAP (because of its popularity here) Their Netweaver product was build with lots of ActiveX + OS stuff that's so proprietary, that it will not work with even IE7. Of course SAP has released upgrades but companies have to pay for it or change larger parts of their ERP to be able to apply the upgrades. As ERPs are propably upgraded once per decade, this will take some time... From variou…

A workforce on an old browser is an awesome way to stagnate innovation. If you complain about this on some sites (ahem...reddit), you will receive replies from thousands of self-loathing IT staffers who will give you a thousand bullshit reasons why supporting even newish browsers is "impossible" for a large company. In nearly every case, the old browser in the standard image is there because of some terrible legacy s…

The cost of retraining thousands of non-technical people coupled with the interim hit on productivity is larger than you think. These costs are potentially inflated by CYA attitudes, but they are real.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

#56

For some reason the corporate world is still stuck with IE6. Just recently we were dealing with a large corporation that was still using IE6 throughout the company and our web app had to support this browser.

Not too mysterious. Many large corporations have invested $x million in proprietary software where the cost is amortized by the beancounters over a number of years.

Some of this proprietary software was written in ActiveX, VBscript or some other technology that means that the vendor only officially supports it operating under IE6. It might run fine under newer IE versions or other browsers, but doing so would void the support contract with the vendor (which means huge costs).

So the choice is either to spend millions more upgrading it (when it works perfectly fine for business purposes already), or keep everyone on IE6. Most stick with IE6.

It's getting better as the cost of the software gets fully amortized and planned replacement projects start going ahead - but there's still holdouts.

I work with a 50,000+ employee corporation that just got the go-ahead to upgrade employee workstations to IE8 - with the exception of a few departments (x,000 workstations) who are stuck with one of the aforementioned proprietary apps that's more expensive to upgrade than it is to support the users with the crappy browser.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Does anyone else get the feeling that the entire automotive industry could be disrupted by a company that focused on design, usability, and modern technology in their car interiors? It seems to me you could replace just about every car's dashboard with an iPad and already be light-years ahead of the industry standard.

In fact the problem seems to get worse as you add more technology and money; if Top Gear is any indication the supercars of the world are all a usability joke. They have a dizzying array of meaningless, misplaced, and practically useless buttons. I believe on the latest Ferrari you can either see your speed or your position on a map, but not both.

It seems very similar to the phone industry before the iPhone.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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"For security reasons, the Volkswagen Group does not recommend other browsers like Mozilla Firefox, Opera, Netscape etc. as they show security gaps." This probably means they have serious security holes which could be easily triggered by other browsers.

I think it simply means that this page was written more than five years ago.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

#59

One time a few years ago I was contracted to redesign a large Mercedes dealership's website. They recommended IE6 too but the main issue wasn't what the user saw when visiting the page, it was the supplier CMS used to administrate it. This was enforced by Mercedes themselves, so all dealerships had to use it. It was custom, and, this is no exaggeration, impossible to use. There was probably a 600 page manual, caked i…

This sounds like the most common reaction to users accidentally causing errors in data: lock everything down and only allow a very specific operation, and complain loudly and specifically (i.e., incomprehensibly) if they get out of line, in order to protect the data. Did someone find a new way to screw up? Add another restriction.

I sometimes wonder why these interfaces are so freaking common for anything not facing the general public.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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post #57

Does anyone else get the feeling that the entire automotive industry could be disrupted by a company that focused on design, usability, and modern technology in their car interiors? It seems to me you could replace just about every car's dashboard with an iPad and already be light-years ahead of the industry standard. In fact the problem seems to get worse as you add more technology and money; if Top Gear is any indi…

The dashboard is not the most important thing in the entire automotive industry.

Car companies are focusing on design. They are spending billions on it.

Regarding the Ferrari 458, it can show the current speed as a number while showing the map at the same time.

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