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The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by nicwest »

cnvogel wrote: post #28
rmoriz wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason in Germany is mainly SAP (because of its popularity here) Their Netweaver product was build with lots of ActiveX + OS stuff that's so proprietary, that it will not work with even IE7. Of course SAP has released upgrades but companies have to pay for it or change larger parts of their ERP to be able to apply the upgrades. As ERPs are propably upgraded once per decade, this will take some time... From variou…

Working in a ~50000 employee company that shall remain nameless I can give you another datapoint from "big companies" out there: We only got IE8 (on WinXP, Win7 will not launch for another year or two) this year. And before that it was whatever IE version ships with WinXP. The alternative we can use is a Firefox that has not been updated since its rollout in 2009. And of course you are not allowed to use other than c…

Wow that's amazing, sometimes I wonder how IT staff get up in the morning and go to sleep at night. Could it be that they are using some sort of monitoring software that actually utilises the flaws in these out of date browsers?

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by freedompeace »

west1737 wrote: post #30

I can understand- at my last job (multi-national CPG manufacturer) the code on all the internal webpages wouldn't even display in Firefox. Between the IT workload and general paranoia / superstition of execs (any change is bad), there was no motivation to upgrade internal software. So we made all of our suppliers comply if they wanted access to any piece of the intranet. Just easier that way. For companies that don't…

Except that they're boasting about how good their software and coding are...

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by robinduckett »

As someone who works for a car dealership which uses these systems I can tell you that the "VWG Desktop" intranet dashboards are only accessible via VPN'd tunnels that you can't just "connect" to from the standard internet.

Further more, we use their systems with Chrome, Firefox and other browsers with no problems.

Maybe the standard is different with the US, but in the UK this doesn't apply.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by tommi »

DanBC wrote: post #23
5hoom wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot this bit in the technical requirements: -PC or MAC with internet connection -Web Browser (Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 is recommended) So... they mean a (pretty old) PC with internet connection then?

There was an IE for Unix. So there's some HPUX boxes that could have been running some version of IE. I have no idea what version it got to. I have never met anyone who used it.

Thanks for the info, didn't know that.

According to wikipedia, the project was discontinued as late as 2002. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_UNIX

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by FuzzyDunlop »

One time a few years ago I was contracted to redesign a large Mercedes dealership's website.

They recommended IE6 too but the main issue wasn't what the user saw when visiting the page, it was the supplier CMS used to administrate it. This was enforced by Mercedes themselves, so all dealerships had to use it.

It was custom, and, this is no exaggeration, impossible to use. There was probably a 600 page manual, caked in dust in some forgotten supply cupboard, detailing what exactly you had to do after you'd managed the Herculean task of logging in.

Editing a simple block of text required 'unlocking' it, which would for some reason lock other elements. And then when you did change the text it might not have let you save it anyway, providing plenty of incomprehensible error messages.

I must have put a mental block on the rest because I quit after just a day of figuring it out, but my guess is that pages like that still exist because no bugger can figure out how to edit them.

I'd be surprised if VW didn't use the same or a similar CMS themselves.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by maushu »

FuzzyDunlop wrote: post #38

One time a few years ago I was contracted to redesign a large Mercedes dealership's website. They recommended IE6 too but the main issue wasn't what the user saw when visiting the page, it was the supplier CMS used to administrate it. This was enforced by Mercedes themselves, so all dealerships had to use it. It was custom, and, this is no exaggeration, impossible to use. There was probably a 600 page manual, caked i…

Well, this kind of made me feel better.

The CMS I maintain at work is not so bad compared to this.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by dextorious »

freedompeace wrote: post #6

For a well-designed website, I must say, I'm a bit worried. > The cooperation takes place by our Group Business Platform using current security standards and ciphering methods. A secure data interchange has high priority! Because that's all there is to security. > All data is transferred with a 128 Bit SSL coding and are even secured by your log in on our Group Business Platform. This ciphering method is used in all…

While I agree (and laughed) with most of your comment, this is incorrect:

> I didn't realise we could code in SSL.

"Coding" does not solely mean "programming", it also has the meaning of "encoding" in general.

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