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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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> First: Its not free, its subsidized by the state. „The state“ doesn’t have its „own money“. It is subsided by the taxpayer.

> It is subsided by the taxpayer. That used to be completely true, but seeing the US government consistently spending 150% of its revenue every year make me doubt that. Money printer and price go brr At least Germans are getting train tickets and not shiny new drone missiles.

Germany increased their military spending by 100 billion this year which is tripling it compared to last year. Still a lot less than US but German economy is also a lot smaller.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#522

The German government did that to compensate for rising gasoline prices. While I think that is in general appreciated by the public, I am not quite sure how many people aged 45 above will use this ticket. They trains will be super crowded this summer and people will just prefer to use their car instead.

It will be an absolute relief to the elderly/near-elderly poor, for starters. Like the woman I saw in the grocery store a few weeks ago on the verge of tears because the cheapest cooking oil available was 6 EUR/750ml bottle organic canola oil, and that’s still often the case. Inflation in Germany is every bit as bad as it is in the US, so this is also a bit of a welfare payment to all the people who take public trans…

Also Inflation is measured really strangely in Germany. The official number is +7.4%. However, as someone who has no car and owns no home my main expenditures are:

- rent (+13 % if I don’t move, at least +30% if I move).

- groceries (+20% up until + 50%)

- eating out / going out.(+20%)

For this year only! Most prices have already risen in 2021 “due to Covid”…

I guess for elderly people in cities it will be similar, probably less going out even and more groceries.

So I really wonder how they come up with this number.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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> Over 75% of Germans live in cities Unrelated to this topic but that explains why Germans are so eager to remove forest in order to build windmills. People in the city obviously don’t notice it anyway.

Give me an example where trees were cut and no new were planted. Coal mines are eating whole forests in North Rhine-Westfalia at this very moment and activists are getting beaten up by cops. Look up Garzweiler and Hambach [1]. You argument is the usual fear-mongering by (often right-wing) conservative politicians, wanting us to keep buying oil and gas from dictatorships. As you can see in France where they routinely…

Planting trees may help with CO2 in like 10 years when they are big enough, but it will never recreate the cultural diversity of a real forest.

Unfortunately Germany has less than 10% true forest left, most ist just foreign trees maximizing for wood revenue. They can’t withstand a storm or a hot summer (really good with the extreme climate events which are coming up).

Any forest is not a forest.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Not illegal as far as I know. These are almost certainly subsidized tickets, financed with taxpayer money, it is common to restrict the sales to those who pay taxes in the covered area. And I don't see how it could be illegal, it is like forcing Germany to provide health care for the French and vice versa.

> it is like forcing Germany to provide health care for the French and vice versa That's literally how it works [1]. EU citizens are treated the same as local citizens in every country. [1]: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/europe-travel-insurance/ehi...

Maybe in some dream world. Hospital visits are usually covered, but going to a GP often involves paying in cash and only getting reimbursed later at home.

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#525

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We had cities with free public transport in Germany. One example was the city of Templin in Brandenburg. The project was eventually abandoned because lots of people were just riding the busses out of boredom and busses were permanently full with costs exploding for the city. See: https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/artikel/nahverkeh...

The term 'Schutzgebühr' comes to mind. No idea what the english term is. Basically a price people have to pay, for the sole purpose to prevent people wasting it if they don't really need it.

"anti-abuse fee" sounds fitting. Not a direct translation obviously.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#526

For comparison, the federal government is dead bent on building additional 4.1km of highway through Berlin that is estimated to cost over 500 million. And the critics say it will balloon to billions since the estimate is 10 years old anyway. So basically millions of people will ride the train for three months for almost free, and the cost will be in the same ball park as 4km of one highway.

Also it is really ridiculous because it goes straight through a rather central part of the city, removing old construction and very close to where a lot of people live in an attractive part of the city.

Instead they could build it a couple kilometers further out to still connect the ring, the distance in drive time would probably be less than 5 minutes.

But they stick to stupid plans they made 10 years ago like they always do in this city.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#527

I can't seem to find information on whether it is possible to purchase the ticket as a non German citizen.

> I can't seem to find information on whether it is possible to purchase the ticket as a non German citizen. Biggest hurdle will be getting a Germany ticket machine to accept a regular credit card! But otherwise, isn't discriminating based on nationality for good and services illegal?

They accept Apple Pay, that might help.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#528

This is fantastic. Despite the warnings to not count on it, these local trains generally will transport your bicycle. So you can go for a bike ride some distance from your home location (or from your home location and return by train if you don't feel like riding back). Practically for free.

On Regional Trains need to go into the special bicycle compartment, also on S-Bahn.

On Subways, Buses, and Trams you might not be allowed to take a bicycle at all depending on the city’s regulations.

Regardless of that, you will always need to buy a special bicycle ticket.

In fact same goes for dogs. So this 9€ ticket will be really useless for dog owners since they need to pay normal ticket prices for every fare for the dog.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#529

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We had cities with free public transport in Germany. One example was the city of Templin in Brandenburg. The project was eventually abandoned because lots of people were just riding the busses out of boredom and busses were permanently full with costs exploding for the city. See: https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/artikel/nahverkeh...

Nothing you said was factually wrong, but the last sentence makes it sound like "bored bums" were the reason it was abandoned. Here's the relevant part from the article you linked: > And not every trip seems to have been truly necessary for the passengers. "On rainy days the kids would take the bus out of boredom" says Templin's mayor Detlef Tabbert (Die Linke ["The Left" political party]) to manager-magazin.de. Grou…

> Nothing you said was factually wrong, but the last sentence makes it sound like "bored bums" were the reason it was abandoned.

No, that was just your fantasy reading words I never said.

I said people were riding out of boredom, not homeless people sleeping on the bus.

It doesn’t matter anyway who was riding. The point is simply that people were riding the bus without actually needing to.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#530

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> The parent's point is that if you actually wanted to get there at any time other than exactly when the 7:08a train arrives, say because you have an appointment at a set time, then you're going to end up having a wait somewhere along your journey because the train wasn't on your ideal schedule. If you're travelling a significant distance by car for an appointment at a fixed time, don't you have to allow extra time f…

> If you're travelling a significant distance by car for an appointment at a fixed time, don't you have to allow extra time for traffic? Yes, but once we start going down that road you're taking the 5:08 train. I don't think the variance with German trains is lower than with roads.

In fact the variance for that very example - Hamburg Berlin - is much higher by car. Finding a parking spot in Berlin can be very tough, and you end up cruising around the neighbourhood for 10-20 minutes. Add another 10 minute walk from the parking spot to your destination.

Traffic can vary, too, and you want to allow significant padding for traffic jams. If I drive from Hamburg to Berlin I’d start 3:30h before my appointment at the destination. With the train, 3h is probably realistic, although there is variance as the train only goes once per hour.

It’s more extreme on the distance Berlin Munich, where taking the train is vastly faster. At night you can max out your car and drive an average speed of 200km/h down the Autobahn (although it’s extremely tiring to do that for hours), and then you can make the distance in 4h by car. During the day, 6:30-7:30h is more realistic. The train takes 3:45; add to that an hour for public transport on both sides.

It’s different when you don’t go to the big cities. You can take the train from Munich to a ski resort in Austria, but it will take twice as long as the car, and you need a cab for the last few kilometres. But nothing beats the train when travelling between large cities in Germany (not even flying, unless you have a private jet).

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