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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by oh_sigh »

arghwhat wrote: post #160
pavlov wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your math is off by 50%. A gallon is 3.785 litres, and the euro is roughly $1.05. So 2 euros per litre = one gallon costs $8.

*US liquid gallon A US liquid gallon is defined as 3.785411784 liters, the US dry gallon is 4.40488377086 liters, while the imperial gallon is 4.54609 liters. And that's just the currently used definitions... If I ask Google for "1 gallon in liters", it assumes Imperial gallons which would account for a good chunk of the error.

To be fair, even google gets this wrong sometimes - "1 gallon in gallons" = 1.2:

https://www.google.com/search?q=1+gallon+in+gallons

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by tyingq »

archi42 wrote: post #131
mbg721 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, for people who live in small towns/villages in Germany, how much driving is expected on a typical day? Most Americans commute about half an hour, twice a day, right?

Anecdata: A lot of people I know take about 20m (suburb to a major city) or about 30m (rural countryside), one way. My dad drives ~1h because in the country side he doesn't find a job in his area of expertise (now that we kids have left, they think about selling the house and moving to a better location). Better data: https://de.statista.com/infografik/13644/laenge-von-arbeitsw... Can't find how to change the languag…

The report seems to be sourced from here, which has more detail: https://www.stepstone.de/ueber-stepstone/press/mobilitaetsre...

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

april_22 wrote: post #86

The German government did that to compensate for rising gasoline prices. While I think that is in general appreciated by the public, I am not quite sure how many people aged 45 above will use this ticket. They trains will be super crowded this summer and people will just prefer to use their car instead.

>They trains will be super crowded this summer

In Austria that's already a problem. Due to overcrowding, they're kicking people with valid tickets but no seat reservations off the trains telling them to get the next one.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by fho »

franciscop wrote: post #129

When it gets crowded in Tokyo trains you are literally pushed against each other, back to front people against people, specially bad in summer where the aircon cannot keep up. That's only at 9am normally though, and so I do not consider jobs that make me be in the office at that time (9:30~10 is an order of magnitude better). WFH has been a blessing to Tokyo. So it was funny when I visited my sister in a rural town i…

> they have powerful ventilation and aircon systems

... well ... the ICEs AC is known to fail regularly at elevated temperatures :-)

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by germanier »

I_am_tiberius wrote: post #163

I know DB is owned by the state but I'm anyway interested in whether the difference to the original price is subsidized by the state. Or if it's just a special offer that allows them to cover expenses.

The federal state will pay 2.5 billion euro to the 16 states which in turn are responsible to compensate operators (or whoever actually receives the fare for the journey - this might be someone else) for the lost revenue.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by dav_Oz »

Escapado wrote: post #75

I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move. - Less/no expensive accounting - Less/no personnel for checking tickets - Less/no personnel for prosecuting people who don't have tickets - Less/no ticket vending machines (and all the maintenance that comes with it) - Less traffic on the roads since you can't beat "free" and hence less emissions (at least in hamburg trains operate on green…

I guess one could argue that it is technically "free" for personal use, as tap water is (1 cubic meter (1000 litres) in the Netherlands is about net cost .87€ [0]) if one is not trying to abuse it for a agricultural hobby, a private swimming hall etc. than it actually gets expensive very quick; in the case of a unregistered pipe break (incentivizing inspections) extraordinarily so.

The "price" is for ensuring fair use (on such a big scale)/registering the influx; yes, 1€ could also do the trick but in the case of DB AG we are talking about an highly over-bureaucratized ... so one order of magnitude higher and you arrive at the current pricing.

[0]https://www.waternet.nl/en/veelgestelde-vragen/tap-water/wha...

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by franciscop »

goodpoint wrote: post #178
franciscop wrote: post #129

When it gets crowded in Tokyo trains you are literally pushed against each other, back to front people against people, specially bad in summer where the aircon cannot keep up. That's only at 9am normally though, and so I do not consider jobs that make me be in the office at that time (9:30~10 is an order of magnitude better). WFH has been a blessing to Tokyo. So it was funny when I visited my sister in a rural town i…

Don't you know that there are seats on long-distance trains? Unless people start sitting on each other's lap the aircon capacity is not going to be exceeded.

This article seems to be discussing local mass-passenger trains going from town to town in Germany, so I assumed it was trains with seats + passengers standing. Is that not the case for the purpose of this article?

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by jona-f »

Hendrikto wrote: post #105
april_22 wrote: post #86

The German government did that to compensate for rising gasoline prices. While I think that is in general appreciated by the public, I am not quite sure how many people aged 45 above will use this ticket. They trains will be super crowded this summer and people will just prefer to use their car instead.

Also it is completely useless for people living on the countryside. The nearest train station is a 20 minute drive away from where I live, so this does nothing for me. Still better than nothing, I guess.

Afaik regional buses are included in this ticket. I do not know any villages that don't even have those at least once a day.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by germanier »

goodpoint wrote: post #178
franciscop wrote: post #129

When it gets crowded in Tokyo trains you are literally pushed against each other, back to front people against people, specially bad in summer where the aircon cannot keep up. That's only at 9am normally though, and so I do not consider jobs that make me be in the office at that time (9:30~10 is an order of magnitude better). WFH has been a blessing to Tokyo. So it was funny when I visited my sister in a rural town i…

Don't you know that there are seats on long-distance trains? Unless people start sitting on each other's lap the aircon capacity is not going to be exceeded.

In German long-distance trains, seat reservations are not mandatory and capacity is planed while taking into account that some passengers might not get a seat. Most regional trains (which is where this ticket is valid) don't even offer seat reservations.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by april_22 »

bmicraft wrote: post #116
captainmuon wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Officially, it is not free in order to gauge demand. Personally, I think there is an ideological and pedagogical element. They don't want people to get used to the idea that something like free transportation is possible. I heard an interesting talk a couple of years ago about university tuition fees. Germany has fairly low fees compared to other countries. At some universities it is more like a token fee, a couple h…

A couple hundred per year? I'm sitting here in Vienna complaining about paying 20,70€ per semester

Students in Berlin meanwhile have to pay 200€ for the public transport ticket alone.
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