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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by gspr »

april_22 wrote: post #100
butterlesstoast wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For all the Americans. Converting from euros to USD and liters to gallons, gas is roughly $12 a gallon at this moment.

Yes it is extremely expensive. However I don't think most people who have a car will use it. The trains will be extremely crowded and to get to any notable destination you will probably have to change a couple of times. I think people will just prefer using their car instead of having to stand in crowded trains for hours.

> The trains will be extremely crowded and to get to any notable destination you will probably have to change a couple of times.

That's not true at all. There's lots of direct service to notable destinations. It's rather if you want to go to un-notable destinations (which is of course something that people do a lot in their daily lives) that you can expect to have to transfer.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by bloak »

sascha_sl wrote: post #63
mbg721 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When is there not a crisis? If you're running a train anyway, the marginal cost of attaching a couple more cars for the extra demand seems pretty small.

Not even that. Most lines are already at maximum capacity, and the number of cars is usually dependent on the shortest platform on the line already. We take this so seriously, any stop, even unplanned, where the doors might open aside from absolute emergencies must be on a platform of sufficient length.

In the UK it's quite normal, I think, for them to tell people who want to get off at stop X that they have to be in carriages Y-Z because the platform isn't long enough for them to open the doors of other carriages. There seems to be a Wikipedia page on the general topic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_door_operation ("Selective Door Operation enables trains to call at a station where the platform is shorter than the train.")

It's my understanding that the capacity of the UK train network is mostly limited by the granularity of the signalling.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by jona-f »

jdhzzz wrote: post #99

Who-hoo, let's all go to the summer long super-spreader event.

Covid is currently not a big issue in Germany. Even so restrictions are lifted and most people don't care at all anymore about protection, the numbers are going down.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by mbg721 »

soco wrote: post #108
mbg721 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, for people who live in small towns/villages in Germany, how much driving is expected on a typical day? Most Americans commute about half an hour, twice a day, right?

Not German, I live in a Swiss village and drive zero km a day. But I spend almost an hour/leg in public transport traveling door-to-door to the office when I go there (well, before covid much more often). I can also work in the train most of the time - 45 minutes of said hour - so that it counts as work time too. So, no reason to drive at all. I only take the car at weekends for doing shopping or doing some visits, e…

The reason I ask is that there's a stereotype that German-speaking Europeans especially all go everywhere with hyper-efficient trains that come every three minutes and are only a little bit less on-time than the ones in Japan, and that can't actually be true out in the countryside.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by _ph_ »

SomeBoolshit wrote: post #71
sva_ wrote: post #44

Im really curious to what extend this will affect how full/busy regional transit will be. I also wonder what happens to the people who control tickets fulltime. Their job seems pretty pointless when almost everyone has the ticket.

Likely extremely busy - at least on the inside - because there's essentially no wiggle room in the form of extra vehicles or personnel.

If the trains get full enough, you don't even have to pay the 9 euros as no one can control your tickets :p

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by the8472 »

Escapado wrote: post #75

I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move. - Less/no expensive accounting - Less/no personnel for checking tickets - Less/no personnel for prosecuting people who don't have tickets - Less/no ticket vending machines (and all the maintenance that comes with it) - Less traffic on the roads since you can't beat "free" and hence less emissions (at least in hamburg trains operate on green…

A token price (9€/m is cheaper than even subsidized region-specific tickets for students or the elderly) likely has some benefits such as making it easy to count interest based on sales. It might also make the inrush a bit more manageable.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by fxtentacle »

WA wrote: post #7
qwertox wrote: post #2

I think it's great, but honestly, placing it at 15€ would have made only a little difference to the consumer, who is already getting a lot for the value, and helped the railway operators a good deal. As a compromise the age of kids who can travel together with their parents for free could have been raised from 6 to 8 years.

Exactly the opposite. It should've been 0€, because then you: * don't have to sell tickets at all * don't have to check tickets in trains and reduce costs The overhead of selling tickets with the new price points might actually eat up all what's left of profits.

Can't do that for psychological reasons.

A free Android app attracts the worst kind of people and insults hurled at you on support channels. A $0.99 price is enough to make most support emails friendly instead.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by germanier »

_Microft wrote: post #32
mahesh_rm wrote: post #11

I can't seem to find information on whether it is possible to purchase the ticket as a non German citizen.

The tickets aren't personalized (some regular monthly passes for public transport are/were though), so you should be fine. Since they aren't personalized and there is no way to check who the owner actually is, I would even expect them to be transferable. Edit: looks like I was wrong -> see replies. You can also search for "9-Euro-Ticket übertragbar" (übertragbar = transferable) yourself to get a number of different G…

This ticket is personalized.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by Bayart »

GuB-42 wrote: post #123
Bayart wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I couldn't imagine why not. The single market. Refusing to sell to other EU citizens is very illegal.

Not illegal as far as I know. These are almost certainly subsidized tickets, financed with taxpayer money, it is common to restrict the sales to those who pay taxes in the covered area. And I don't see how it could be illegal, it is like forcing Germany to provide health care for the French and vice versa.

> it is like forcing Germany to provide health care for the French and vice versa

That's literally how it works [1]. EU citizens are treated the same as local citizens in every country.

[1]: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/europe-travel-insurance/ehi...

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by arghwhat »

pavlov wrote: post #93
butterlesstoast wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For all the Americans. Converting from euros to USD and liters to gallons, gas is roughly $12 a gallon at this moment.

Your math is off by 50%. A gallon is 3.785 litres, and the euro is roughly $1.05. So 2 euros per litre = one gallon costs $8.

*US liquid gallon

A US liquid gallon is defined as 3.785411784 liters, the US dry gallon is 4.40488377086 liters, while the imperial gallon is 4.54609 liters. And that's just the currently used definitions...

If I ask Google for "1 gallon in liters", it assumes Imperial gallons which would account for a good chunk of the error.

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