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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by archi42 »

mbg721 wrote: post #92
butterlesstoast wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For all the Americans. Converting from euros to USD and liters to gallons, gas is roughly $12 a gallon at this moment.

Out of curiosity, for people who live in small towns/villages in Germany, how much driving is expected on a typical day? Most Americans commute about half an hour, twice a day, right?

Anecdata: A lot of people I know take about 20m (suburb to a major city) or about 30m (rural countryside), one way. My dad drives ~1h because in the country side he doesn't find a job in his area of expertise (now that we kids have left, they think about selling the house and moving to a better location).

Better data: https://de.statista.com/infografik/13644/laenge-von-arbeitsw... Can't find how to change the language, even though it's an international page. The graph shows minutes per single way. The pie diagram seems to be a popular vote on "maximum acceptable time".

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by soco »

jacobr1 wrote: post #106
Escapado wrote: post #75

I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move. - Less/no expensive accounting - Less/no personnel for checking tickets - Less/no personnel for prosecuting people who don't have tickets - Less/no ticket vending machines (and all the maintenance that comes with it) - Less traffic on the roads since you can't beat "free" and hence less emissions (at least in hamburg trains operate on green…

> I have no idea if that would work for inter-city transport With inner-city transport, while free would undoubtedly have some marginal impact (and more over time as residential and commute patterns shift) there probably wouldn't be large shifts in use. I suspect for inter-city, you would actually see significantly increased usage, which could outweigh all the benefits cited.

Increased usage outweighing the benefits...?? I'm confused by the wording, do you mean that in a good or a bad way?

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by Scarblac »

MandieD wrote: post #51

Very important caveat for all of you who are thinking, “woo hoo, no need to buy that EuRail pass! Or to buy an expensive ICE ticket!” These tickets are good for all “Nah- und Regionalverkehr,” explicitly excluding ICE, IC, EC (international) and long-distance busses (like the one between Munich and Zürich) If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every…

Our Dutch Scouts of age 15-17 also plan their own camps and do so on a shoestring budget, and it turns out that yes you can get from the Netherlands to the Czech Republic with all your camping gear using only like fifteen different German regional trains :-)

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by Archelaos »

Escapado wrote: post #75

I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move. - Less/no expensive accounting - Less/no personnel for checking tickets - Less/no personnel for prosecuting people who don't have tickets - Less/no ticket vending machines (and all the maintenance that comes with it) - Less traffic on the roads since you can't beat "free" and hence less emissions (at least in hamburg trains operate on green…

> I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move.

Here in Germany, there were many voices in favour of making the ticket completely free. What I heard about the reason for not doing so is that the government wanted to easily measure the actual demand in different regions for such a "free" ticket. So the price is low enough that anybody who wants to ride practically "for free" is buying it, but so high that most people who do not really use it won't buy it.

I expect that if the ticket is a success, it will be replaced by real free rides in the future. And the results of the test period could help determine how the costs should finally be shared between the different regions and local governments.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by sva_ »

bowsamic wrote: post #94
sva_ wrote: post #44

Im really curious to what extend this will affect how full/busy regional transit will be. I also wonder what happens to the people who control tickets fulltime. Their job seems pretty pointless when almost everyone has the ticket.

It is already at tipping point of fullness without this

Depends on location

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by Tenoke »

Ekaros wrote: post #128

Hmm, so social distancing is truly gone and they don't fear this action massively spreading the COVID virus?

FFP2 mask are still mandatory on public transport (at least in Berlin) but generally nobody is concerned anymore, and even less so for the Summer.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by netsharc »

Ekaros wrote: post #128

Hmm, so social distancing is truly gone and they don't fear this action massively spreading the COVID virus?

Feels like the European governments' (I generalize...) thinking is, the vaccine is available, it's good enough, and Omicron is "not that bad" anyway, so, if you don't want to get vaccinated, it's on you, but let's get on with our lives...

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by BoppreH »

dagw wrote: post #82
WA wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly the opposite. It should've been 0€, because then you: * don't have to sell tickets at all * don't have to check tickets in trains and reduce costs The overhead of selling tickets with the new price points might actually eat up all what's left of profits.

don't have to sell tickets at all The infrastructure for selling tickets is already in place, the marginal cost of selling one extra ticket type is essentially zero, don't have to check tickets in trains and reduce costs Assuming you have to have at least one person working on the train anyway, for safety reasons if nothing else, having them also check tickets doesn't cost extra.

> Assuming you have to have at least one person working on the train anyway, for safety reasons if nothing else, having them also check tickets doesn't cost extra.

The trains are made of multiple cars without connecting doors, and the driver sits inside a locked cockpit. Tickets are currently checked by personnel that randomly patrol the trains, which are the only staff that passengers see.

It's actually rare to have your ticket checked, but the fine is ~10x the price of the ticket, so it's still worth buying one.

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