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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#71
post #44

Im really curious to what extend this will affect how full/busy regional transit will be. I also wonder what happens to the people who control tickets fulltime. Their job seems pretty pointless when almost everyone has the ticket.

Likely extremely busy - at least on the inside - because there's essentially no wiggle room in the form of extra vehicles or personnel.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#72

I can't seem to find information on whether it is possible to purchase the ticket as a non German citizen.

> I can't seem to find information on whether it is possible to purchase the ticket as a non German citizen. Biggest hurdle will be getting a Germany ticket machine to accept a regular credit card! But otherwise, isn't discriminating based on nationality for good and services illegal?

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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#73

I'm extremely not excited about how insanely rammed the public transportation is going to be for the next three months Already here in Hamburg the busses are not at all empty!

And I can't wait for the usual politicians from FDP and Union to draw the conclusion that free or cheaper public transport will forever be unfeasible, not that we need to invest more into the rail network.

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#74
post #36

I'm sure the private bus operators, who usually are the only cheap option to travel in Germany, are just thrilled by this additional market distortion.

They are. If you can squeeze an english translation out of this somehow, the article considers some potential problems:

https://www.spiegel.de/auto/neun-euro-ticket-verkehrsbetrieb...

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#75
I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move. - Less/no expensive accounting - Less/no personnel for checking tickets - Less/no personnel for prosecuting people who don't have tickets - Less/no ticket vending machines (and all the maintenance that comes with it) - Less traffic on the roads since you can't beat "free" and hence less emissions (at least in hamburg trains operate on green energy) and less wear on the roads (might be offset by the wear on trains and busses) - Fully non-discriminant with respect to income

I have no idea if that would work for inter-city transport but for inner-city transport the HVV for example (the public transportation network responsible for hamburg and surrounding areas) sells 30 million tickets a year and I wonder how much it truly costs them to do that with all the relevant factors mentioned above.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#76
post #19

Populism. This will make the country consume more energy. There's a crisis and the solution is saving as much energy as possible. And help companies not go bankrupt. But that doesn't sell...

It’ll move energy use from highly inefficient personal vehicles burning gasoline to highly efficient trains using mostly renewable electricity, during the summer where more than enough electricity is available.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#77
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that the message was addressed at me but I agree that it was unnecessarily personal. You inferred my nationality correctly btw ;)

I'm an American who has lived in Germany, and it didn't seem like a personal attack to me. It's a reasonable thing to wonder when someone espouses a profits-first view in response to a social program.

OK, I hadn't considered that. Thanks for the perspective!

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#78
post #65
post #36

I'm sure the private bus operators, who usually are the only cheap option to travel in Germany, are just thrilled by this additional market distortion.

There’s only one left, all the others went bankrupt, and that one (FlixBus) only offers long-distance journeys, while this ticket only applies to regional trains.

You might be confusing regional bus with long distance bus travel or ride for hire bus companies which will also be impacted.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#79
post #61
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of trains this covers don't even have first class so they can save on those but I'm not convinced the savigns are all that big.

What trains would that be? Street cars and busses are the only ones I can think of that don't have first class. Everything from the S-Bahn and "up" has a first class car or section.

That heavily depends on your local Verkehrsverbund, many Verkehrsverbünde do not have any first class in S, RB or RE.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#80
post #67
post #19

Populism. This will make the country consume more energy. There's a crisis and the solution is saving as much energy as possible. And help companies not go bankrupt. But that doesn't sell...

If people use the train instead of their cars, it will save energy by a lot. Trains are the most efficient form of transportation, cars the least efficient.

Bicycles are the most efficient form of transportation if we’re talking energy use, but yes, trains beat out cars by a lot. :)
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