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Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by zardinality » Thu, May 19, 2022, 2:18 PM UTC

Ancapistani wrote: post #302

zardinality wrote: post #216

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Sinovac is effective to omicron but only with the third booster. In contrast, Pfizer is almost as effective as sinovac with merely two shots in preventing the COVID. So the problem there first is not why they don't import Pfizer, it is why they do not even have sinovac booster. The answer here is simple: the government do not enforce anybody to get vaccinated. No one. If you missed a corona test at 7am you might be g…

> You probably don't have to right to travel freely, but you have the right to not get an injection in China. FWIW. It sounds like you're either Chinese, or have close ties there. For context, I live in the Southern US. I've not been vaccinated due to a medical concern that's shared with my doctor. My normal doctor is aggressively anti-COVID-vaccine, so I got a second opinion just in case, and concluded that while it…

I completely agree with the point you made, as in the choice is much more nuanced, and you do not have to guess my position by the punchline. I never thought of US, in fact I do not know the vaccine policy there. If I was thinking some country while I wrote the comments that would be EU from 2021, when people have to endured some months of inconvenience for not taking any shot. I know some anti-vaxxers even bought virus from other country so that they did not need the vax pass.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by jiveturkey » Sat, May 21, 2022, 6:32 PM UTC

omegaworks wrote: post #358

jiveturkey wrote: post #311

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I'm not entirely sure you read the comment correctly. Covid is highly transmissible. A covid-zero policy is untenable. Shutting down essentially everything (including cars) is not going to protect the people.

We're at one million dead in the US. China has five times our population and has 5,217 deaths. Covid-zero is not perfect, but it has been effective.

More like 1.7 million. (still quite good, I suppose, for having 5x the population)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/02/beijin...

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by rnk » Sun, May 22, 2022, 4:59 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #318

davidguetta wrote: post #315

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On the long term only vaccines limit death, not lockdowns. Chinese people will all have covid as western people did. And even if it worked.. at what price ? living in a prison-country for the sake of saving mostly 80+ year old people ?

It buys time until the next generation of vaccines. Which are coming along well.[1] [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/19/moderna-redesigned-covid-vac...

Current variants of cv19 are surprisingly not killing many of us in the us who are vaccinated and boosted, even among older people. About 250 a day from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us#graph-d....

cv19 is at about the same death rate as a pretty bad influenza year (250*365 = 91k). I do think covid is serious, I'm the only person in my new software job that wears an n95 at work (2 people with covid in the last month in our small office). I'm actually considering quitting because I was promised we were going to be a remote first company and now the ceo doesn't want that.

I worry about long covid and the potential for new variants that are more deadly again. I have wondered why we have not had new deadly flu variants like 1918, is it just luck?

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by rnk » Sun, May 22, 2022, 5:11 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #351

0xCAP wrote: post #348

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Mass deaths of 80+ years olds you mean?

50+ year olds is more like it.[1] Below 50, not many deaths. After that, many. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-...

That data needs to have a time dimension. I think vast reduction in elderly deaths, even though they are still susceptible they are less susceptible.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by rnk » Sun, May 22, 2022, 5:14 PM UTC

usrn wrote: post #257

omegaworks wrote: post #255

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Maybe people are more important than cars in China.

You can say things like "people are more important than production" and you're technically right, but if you shut down the production all those people starve. When you're talking about things at this scale you have to think with a little more nuance than that.

They will figure out how to distribute food better over time even with the shutdowns. They could then have economic shutdown longer. But the impact of that economic shutdown is unclear.

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Post by rnk » Sun, May 22, 2022, 5:19 PM UTC

cyberlurker wrote: post #217

Workaccount2 wrote: post #87

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Damn, if only China was this strict about its lab safety.

1. This shouldn't be flagged, it is important that we discuss lab safety as it might be the cause of the pandemic. It might also not be and we will likely never know but it is still important to discuss. 2. Not just China, all countries have abysmal lab safety. This is the most important point. This is not a solely Chinese issue. The US and Eu countries also have lab safety issues and we've been lucky so far. Please…

Lab safety is important of course. Let's not forget there's little to no evidence where covid came from and it doesn't matter at this point. We still have to deal with it. The people who are fixated on China in the US for racist and other reasons (like Trump et al) are also trying to deflect blame from poor us virus responses. The evidence of China being responsible is in the same category as my pillow guy's claims about secret evidence of the 2020 election being stolen - it's just a distracting game for dolts.