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Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by Animats »

0xCAP wrote: post #348
Animats wrote: post #290

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Shenzhen currently tests almost everybody every 48 hours. "Whenever someone asks to see my health code, I feel embarrassed. On the lower left-hand side of my code, in the “nucleic acid testing” section, a green code with the words “within a week” flashes up – not the blue “24-hour negative” or the purple “48-hour negative” codes needed to enter most public venues in Shenzhen." My residential compound even installed a…

Mass deaths of 80+ years olds you mean?

50+ year olds is more like it.[1] Below 50, not many deaths. After that, many.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-...

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by CorrectHorseBat »

bart_spoon wrote: post #347
CorrectHorseBat wrote: post #227

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I don't live in the USA, but since the beginning of 2020 until now basically everyone I know has had covid. No direct contacts I know went to the hospital or died, but I also don't know that many people who are older. My friends in China on the other hand know no one who has had covid, let alone someone who went to the hospital or died. That could maybe be media control, but I don't buy it. They tried that in Wuhan a…

> since the beginning of 2020 until now basically everyone I know has had covid Yes, but that is the entirety of the pandemic, including the Omicron wave. Prior to Omicron (i.e. Winter 2021), it was estimated only about 30% of Americans had contracted Covid. Just in the last 6 months it has increased to over 60%. But in my original comment, I specifically called out the time frame from the beginning of the pandemic t…

It just doesn't add up. They tried covering up in Wuhan and that failed miserably. After the initial wave most China went basically without any restrictions, even with Delta which was much more contagious and deadly than the Wuhan strain. There's just no way that went around without anyone noticing.

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Post by minsc_and_boo »

tinus_hn wrote: post #303
minsc_and_boo wrote: post #286

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Again, there is no evidence to suggest that COVID transmission from wildlife happens other than in rare cases. Suggesting that it does happen because we just don't know is considered an argument from ignorance. It's important to make these evidence-based distinctions because there are a variety of people looking to grab on to whatever they can to support their biases wrgt science and COVID.

How can there be evidence-based distinctions if there is no evidence either way? There is no evidence for nor against widespread transmission from wildlife, so handwaving statements about biases and evidence-based distinctions are no more than demonstrations of a prejudice about sources. Your prejudice is that it must be incontrovertible science because the CDC mentions it. In reality nobody knows either way, and the…

>How can there be evidence-based distinctions if there is no evidence either way?

There are plenty of evidence-based conclusions made about the new virus, but it is still new so not enough observation has been done to make claims (either way) about certain things yet.

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Post by gfodor »

hueyluey wrote: post #178
gfodor wrote: post #146

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The end result of Communism is always the same, but the details vary. It’s fundamentally fragile.

Why do you think it's fundamentally fragile? The soviet union lasted for about 70 years. China has had a unique party for around 70 years (and no signs of ot changing anytime soon). What other types of government are less fragile? I think democracy is more fragile for sure.

Overcenralization in an environment of increasing disruptive dynamics is a path to eventual catastrophe when survival boils down to minimizing latency to action.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by minsc_and_boo »

nradov wrote: post #336
minsc_and_boo wrote: post #278

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Based on the evidence available, there is no reason to believe COVID spread from wildlife is anything other than rare. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/...

It doesn't matter whether animal to human transmission is rare or common, all it takes is once to start things going again. Remember how the pandemic started in 2019?

The difference between now and 2019 is the proximity to herd immunity.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by tinus_hn »

minsc_and_boo wrote: post #353
tinus_hn wrote: post #303

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How can there be evidence-based distinctions if there is no evidence either way? There is no evidence for nor against widespread transmission from wildlife, so handwaving statements about biases and evidence-based distinctions are no more than demonstrations of a prejudice about sources. Your prejudice is that it must be incontrovertible science because the CDC mentions it. In reality nobody knows either way, and the…

>How can there be evidence-based distinctions if there is no evidence either way? There are plenty of evidence-based conclusions made about the new virus, but it is still new so not enough observation has been done to make claims (either way) about certain things yet.

There is no evidence about the amount of spread through wildlife apart from evidence that it does happen. So you were just talking about evidence-based distinctions about some unrelated claims?

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by natch »

kurthr wrote: post #279
natch wrote: post #101

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Delivery != sale. If they are tabulating deliveries, they should use the word that matches their meaning, instead of a different word.

Since I used both the words delivery and sale in different ways... I think that buy == sale and delivery == pick up. So when I ask, "Why after two weeks of being locked into your apartment would you decide to *buy* a car you couldn't *pick up*, sight unseen?", I do not mean that delivery didn't take place, I mean that purchase == sale == buy likely did not take place, because the buyer could neither go and look at th…

Last car I bought nine months ahead of the delivery date. On a web page. On an iPhone. Car before that, three months, same, web page/iPhone. There is a major car manufacturer with a factory in Shanghai that sells cars with this sales model. I don’t see why there would be zero sales. Zero deliveries does make sense.

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Post by omegaworks »

jiveturkey wrote: post #311
omegaworks wrote: post #255

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Maybe people are more important than cars in China.

I'm not entirely sure you read the comment correctly. Covid is highly transmissible. A covid-zero policy is untenable. Shutting down essentially everything (including cars) is not going to protect the people.

We're at one million dead in the US. China has five times our population and has 5,217 deaths.

Covid-zero is not perfect, but it has been effective.

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Post by nradov »

minsc_and_boo wrote: post #355
nradov wrote: post #336

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It doesn't matter whether animal to human transmission is rare or common, all it takes is once to start things going again. Remember how the pandemic started in 2019?

The difference between now and 2019 is the proximity to herd immunity.

The virus is sufficiently contagious that there will be no significant herd immunity effect to protect those who lack immunity. We should expect that almost everyone will eventually be infected.

https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...

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Post by zardinality »

corderop wrote: post #251
zardinality wrote: post #41

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I could provide maybe another data point there. I lived at a village in a east province for some months and has just left. People are living their normal life, albeit ofc a slightest bit of concern to Corona. But people are more worried that they could not make money now and in near future than having the virus. They are not fearful of starving either, not like people living in the city, farms and fields are everywhe…

Seems very similar to 2020 Europe (at least Spain)

Yeah, it is like the summer that year in EU. In summer EU still has tens of cases per day, but it was a quite small number in retrospective angle.
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