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Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by prewett »

daviesliu wrote: post #149
captainmuon wrote: post #22

Does anybody know what the situation is in the rest of China? I hear there are a couple of strict lockdowns in other cities, and some districts of Beijing. China has in the past justified their harsh measures because the relative majority could live without Covid restrictions (and illness and deaths of course). It would be interesting to see what portion of the population is on lockdown, but it is hard to find good s…

I live in Hangzhou, 150 miles away to Shanghai. There are a few positive COVID-19 cases in past weeks and we prepared to lockdown, but it did not come. Right now, there is a 48-hour-test policy, and we should have a negative COVID test within 48 hour to enter a public building. Once you have that, almost all services in Hangzhou are open. We can work, shop, meet as usual. The COVID test is free, available in every co…

The problem is you can't "defeat" COVID by isolating. It's going to be around pretty much forever (even if you vaccinated all humans, there are animals where it circulates, too. So China is going to have to keep the restrictions up until everyone reaches herd immunity, which will take years if everyone keeps isolating.

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Post by harpersealtako »

LinuxBender wrote: post #120
yalogin wrote: post #43

I did not realize there is such a strict lockdown even now. Somehow missed that news cycle. However that makes me wonder if the other countries in the world like India and major parts of the US even test now. I mean unless it’s absolutely clear it’s covid they probably don’t test and go on with their lives.

There are some theories posited by this youtuber [1] that suggest this has little to do with covid. I am curious what others here familiar with living in China think about this. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZHiE96tWY4 [video]

I'm...a good deal more anti-China than the average person, but from what I've seen of that channel it doesn't seem very credible. Most of their takes seem correct on the broader level (e.g. yes, China in the next few decades is on very shaky ground for a host of complicated reasons, and decision making is slowly getting less sane), but the specifics seem maximally sensational/fearmongering. The only thing I like of him is some of the discussion of Chinese internet counterculture, which is genuinely fascinating stuff (e.g. the levels of irony, euphemism, and meta-references people use to talk about banned topics and get around censorship is unreal).

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Post by narrator »

pvarangot wrote: post #206
_fat_santa wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been following the situation and it's absolutely wild. It all stems from their Zero covid policy, they are the only country still perusing it, to the absolute detriment and destruction of everything else it seems. With how fast Omicron spreads, zero-covid is simply untenable these days but China is trying... The basic report is that people are starving. The government has provided food but the food situation is…

> another revolution will occur So the playbook of the CCP in cities seems to be push and push and push until the people revolt and then you cull the activists that are willing to fight by running the army through the streets and shooting everyone that's revolting. This has been a thing since Maos purges and it's the same thing they did in Hong Kong by slowly adding stupid rules until the people willing to revolt had…

If I was going to be extremely cynical, I would say that the transgender cultural revolution is the beginner version of this in the United States. Make something so absurd that people with common sense instead of blind obedience to authority self-identity themselves when they complain about men competing in women's sports for example and are removed from positions of power so only the truly obedient remain for whatever they're going to do next, like when the food shortages hit.

If you guys flag this post, that proves my point exactly. :)

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Post by rl3 »

minsc_and_boo wrote: post #286
tinus_hn wrote: post #283

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It’s known to happen and there is absolutely no way to test how often it happens, so this kind of handwaving is opinion masked as science. And it doesn’t really matter, because the lockdown tactic only works with COVID-zero, not with COVID-one. So even if only one infection spreads from wildlife, you’re back at square one and you can start your lockdowns all over again. And don’t think you can just detect the infecti…

Again, there is no evidence to suggest that COVID transmission from wildlife happens other than in rare cases. Suggesting that it does happen because we just don't know is considered an argument from ignorance. It's important to make these evidence-based distinctions because there are a variety of people looking to grab on to whatever they can to support their biases wrgt science and COVID.

I support your assessment. That said, it would nonetheless be wise to ensure Boo is masked as well for everyone's mutual protection.

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Post by spookthesunset »

devonkim wrote: post #135
ARandomerDude wrote: post #90

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^ This is exactly why I was against lockdowns in America circa June of 2000. Somehow back then if you took this position you were labelled anti-science, a racist, basically a serial killer, etc. I hope next time there is a major event people will stop and think "Maybe this person just disagrees with my conclusion."

I was only “against” lockdowns more recently on the principle that the reactance to it combined with an inappropriate infrastructure and system makes it not terribly effective and would hurt the efficacy of it as a policy vs the sound, rational theory from a purely epidemiology standpoint. If anything, I was hoping at least people would accept masking to the N95 standard but I don’t know what it’ll take before people…

The thing they some people forget is everybody bad problems and for many Covid is not the highest. All these mitigations are asking everybody to prioritize Covid over basically everything else. Many (most?) people don’t care about Covid as much as they care about other things. And you know what? That is okay.

The myopic obsession on one singular disease to the exclusion of literally everything else was not healthy. Covid myopia is far more scary than Covid.

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Post by spookthesunset »

shadowpho wrote: post #199
spookthesunset wrote: post #121

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So this response is okay? How can you say for sure this response even works? How sustainable is it? How is it not an absolute violation of inalienable human rights? How can you even call human rights “inalienable” when your government is willing to toss them out the window for some respiratory virus? Do people still think Covid is some kind of airborne Ebola or something? People have lost their minds over this. It is…

None of our rights are absolute. The government can and does take them away. The question becomes more of what's a good reason to take them away, and saying no good reason is misguided.

I am hard pressed to think of any scenario where it is okay to strip people of inalienable human rights.

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Post by lemax »

ctoth wrote: post #201

Whenever I think about the situation in China it makes me wonder why the Chinese government is spending so much political capital to keep people from getting infected by such an incredibly transmissible disease. I had this idea that China was run by engineer types who were fairly rational. From the initial denial that there was any disease at all, to later saying it wasn't transmissible between humans, to the obvious…

China can easily lift its zero-covid policies whenever it wants, but the global supply chain disruption will reverberate long after it does so. Hasn't zero covid just pushed up prices on Chinese goods and services? I question whether this is a concerted, smarter strategy with a longer term outlook than the media likes to estimate -- China pivots this draconian strategy whenever it wants, and the world just returns to leveraging them at higher prices.

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Post by spookthesunset »

sokoloff wrote: post #128
spookthesunset wrote: post #117

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Does it matter? Is this kind of response ever okay?

I am strongly opposed to this for SARS-CoV2, but for something like Ebola, it might the best possible response.

Pretty sure of Ebola went airborne you wouldn’t need to use government force to keep people at home.

Covid needed a marketing campaign and a healthy dose of 24/7 media fearmongering to get anybody to “take it serious”. And even then a good chunk of people called BS on it pretty quickly.

If there was airborne Ebola and dudes were dropping dead on the streets with blood coming out of every orifice… totally different scenario.

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

harpersealtako wrote: post #292
LinuxBender wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are some theories posited by this youtuber [1] that suggest this has little to do with covid. I am curious what others here familiar with living in China think about this. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZHiE96tWY4 [video]

I'm...a good deal more anti-China than the average person, but from what I've seen of that channel it doesn't seem very credible. Most of their takes seem correct on the broader level (e.g. yes, China in the next few decades is on very shaky ground for a host of complicated reasons, and decision making is slowly getting less sane), but the specifics seem maximally sensational/fearmongering. The only thing I like of h…

It was weird how laowhy86 and Serpentza (a vlogger he collaborates with) transitioned, seemingly on a dime, from trashy "Are you a white guy who wants to date in China?" videos to "Evil CCP is coming for your kittens" videos.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by minsc_and_boo »

rl3 wrote: post #294
minsc_and_boo wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, there is no evidence to suggest that COVID transmission from wildlife happens other than in rare cases. Suggesting that it does happen because we just don't know is considered an argument from ignorance. It's important to make these evidence-based distinctions because there are a variety of people looking to grab on to whatever they can to support their biases wrgt science and COVID.

I support your assessment. That said, it would nonetheless be wise to ensure Boo is masked as well for everyone's mutual protection.

Thankfully, miniature space hamsters can't catch the evil that is COVID.
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