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Out of curiosity, what is good food ?
Hamburgers! The cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast!
What do they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in Lisbon?
Expats are moving to Portugal
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#142I've always loved how migrants become expats when they're white. I had thought it was exclusively a preserve of the British in anywhere in Europe that's sunny, and people who moved to Singapore or Dubai for the money, but hey, welcome to the club, Californians into yoga!
I think expatriate actually has a different shade of meaning from migrant. Expats are typically people living outside their country on a non-permanent basis (on assignment or some temporary basis), with no intention to permanent emigrate to the country. Immigrants however are people who move to a country with the intention of settling there permanently. From the article's description, it sounds like these folks are e…
Expats = white people. Simple.
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#143I've always loved how migrants become expats when they're white. I had thought it was exclusively a preserve of the British in anywhere in Europe that's sunny, and people who moved to Singapore or Dubai for the money, but hey, welcome to the club, Californians into yoga!
It’s introducing a class system into migration. One must signal they’re not part of the riffraff.
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The national dish of Portugal is salted codfish with cabbage. Fucking gross. I will die on this hill I don't care how many downvotes it gets me. You can find Italian restaurants all over the world. Where are all the Portugese restaurants if this cuisine is so brilliant?
National dish notwithstanding, Portugal has other plenty of great seafood-based dishes. The best National food after Italian (and maybe Japanese) is Georgian, but you don't see their restaurants worldwide either.
Georgian food is very mediocre. Bread with cheese isn’t bad, but it’s nothing special. Brazilian food, however, is very underrated.
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I've always thought that the key difference is attitude to the host country. Expatriates don't want to (or don't think they need to) attempt to integrate, migrants do. I've met British people who've been in NZ since the 1980s who still consider themselves ex-pats - and can still complain about how our Weetbix is nothing like good ol Weetabix. But then I've met people from Britain who've been here for 10 years, and co…
> I've met British people who've been in NZ since the 1980s who still consider themselves ex-pats - and can still complain about how our Weetbix is nothing like good ol Weetabix. How is this different to any other migrant who misses something from their homeland? Why does it bother you, and why do you see it as an indication of a deficiency of mindset? Shall I similarly hold something against migrants in the UK who p…
I guess you're not familiar with the stereotype of the "whinging Pom".
It's a stereotype because it's often true. And the usual response is "well, if Britain was so much better, why are you here?"
They're obviously here because Britain wasn't better. But they still trash talk the country that allowed them in.
(Weetabix was an example, not the limit of the complaining).
If I moved to the UK, after 40 years I'd let go of the fact that my home country's coffee (for example) is so much better, because I've obviously chosen to spend four decades in the UK because I find it better than my country.
To repeat myself, it's the mindset. If, after four decades, you're still comparing the country you've moved to unfavorably to your home country, then your mindset isn't one of integration. It's one of colonialism.
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#146This story looks like a repetition of the playbook seen in Berlin along all these years. Once defined the Startup Heaven, now the housing market is hotter than ever and rents are skyrocketing too. A lot of people can't deal or afford the rent anymore, building new apartments is going at a slow pace and whenever a new housing project comes out, it's already sold out. Some houses have reached the 1 Million Euro price.…
The capital and biggest city of Germany was always going to be expensive. IMO the capital shouldn’t have been moved back to Berlin. Anyway, that’s too late now. What I’d like to see is administration and ministries moved far out of the city into Brandenburg.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think expatriate actually has a different shade of meaning from migrant. Expats are typically people living outside their country on a non-permanent basis (on assignment or some temporary basis), with no intention to permanent emigrate to the country. Immigrants however are people who move to a country with the intention of settling there permanently. From the article's description, it sounds like these folks are e…
> Expats are typically people living outside their country on a non-permanent basis (on assignment or some temporary basis), with no intention to permanent emigrate to the country. > Immigrants however are people who move to a country with the intention of settling there permanently. I think those are the textbook definitions, but in reality expat is usually applied to those from higher income countries only. Do this…
Dubai is funny example as neither group is permanent, but just there to work. Mostly cause Dubai and likes really aren't big on immigration.
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#148Expats? You mean immigrants?
Expats = moving there temporarily, either on assignment or retirement. Immigrants = moving there to settle down permanently, eventually naturalizing. You can start off being an expat and turn into an immigrant.
Semantic drift is a thing.
Expat hasn't really been used with that meaning lately. Same as third/first world countries, gay or terrific.
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I know that in the US these topics are often conflated, but it isn’t necessarily about race, more about social class and how much money you have. But you’re right, not all migrants are treated or categorized the same way. I’m myself an expatriate, I left my country and immigrated somewhere else. Nobody would ever call me a migrant even if it is technically correct because I don’t match the stereotype (due to my natio…
> it isn’t necessarily about race, more about social class and how much money you have When did those get disentangled?
Imagine someone from an old aristocratic family that has a noble title, was known to own land, etc. Even if they lose their money for some reasons they won’t be considered in the same social class as someone who comes from a poor background.
You can do the opposite, imagine someone from a poor neighborhood who then start to gain wealth, their money alone will not make them be part of the upper class (im quite sure there is a woody Allen movie with this exact premise).
What distinguishes social classes is in part wealth, but that’s just one component.
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#150I think people from coastal California, such as the couple featured in the article, take for granted the spontaneous joy when random friends and family pop into the city, because of a work trip for example, and try to meet up. And then proceed to have a deep meaningful conversation in your native language where you get each other's references, figures of speech, jokes, and are generally on the same wavelength. It see…
I think California might be defined by the kind of reasoning this couple exhibits.