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Expats are moving to Portugal

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Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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I think people from coastal California, such as the couple featured in the article, take for granted the spontaneous joy when random friends and family pop into the city, because of a work trip for example, and try to meet up. And then proceed to have a deep meaningful conversation in your native language where you get each other's references, figures of speech, jokes, and are generally on the same wavelength. It see…

Well, for my wife and me, like the featured couple, we moved here to Cascais, where we have leased a 3 bedroom apartment. (We moved from Seattle, not L.A., but most of the dynamics are the same.) The concerns that you raise have not happened to us.We have plenty and frequent meetups with our friends back in the U.S. via Facetime/Zoom/Signal. No, it's not the same as being together in person, but it is "good enough"; we all enjoy ourselves. And, our niece and her husband live in the U.K.; they popped over last weekend, where we got together for dinner in Lisbon, and had a great time, in our native language...

A large percentage of the Portuguese people speak and understand some English, and nearly all people under 30 speak English fluently. And no one, ever, has been anything but delighted when we (try to) speak in Portuguese. They are very patient, really want to help us learn their language, and are fine with translation apps.

I suppose you could see all of the tourist attractions in Lisbon in a (long) weekend, but living here lets you see so much more; it is a culturally rich and interesting country. As for cultural attachments, I guess I'm not sure what that means; but if it means "people and places being the way I am used to", then I respond that for us, it is fascinating and fun to see how other people and places are; seeing what other ways of doing and thinking are possible. It is an adjustment, definitely, and it may not be for you.

It is true that rent prices in Cascais are higher than we had hoped they would be, but they are still significantly lower than what they are in Seattle. Our apartment here is at least half as expensive as it would be in Seattle. And groceries, utilities (including 1Gbs internet), restaurants, consumer goods (e.g. clothes) are dramatically less expensive, as well.

And finally: Yes, it is SO MUCH safer here than in Seattle. The constant tension of looking over your shoulder is gone; you have no idea how heavy a mental weight that is until one day it is lifted.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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> The food is bad Dear, your credibility: Goodbye.

The national dish of Portugal is salted codfish with cabbage. Fucking gross. I will die on this hill I don't care how many downvotes it gets me. You can find Italian restaurants all over the world. Where are all the Portugese restaurants if this cuisine is so brilliant?

National dish notwithstanding, Portugal has other plenty of great seafood-based dishes.

The best National food after Italian (and maybe Japanese) is Georgian, but you don't see their restaurants worldwide either.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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> The food is bad Dear, your credibility: Goodbye.

I am French and I love Portugal. I visited it many times, have Portuguese friends and it is the only country I would be glad to live outside of mine (I travelled the world for 7 years straight). Now with this said, Portuguese food is medium. There are great cheeses, great starters but then it goes downhill. Again, I have nothing but live for that country and people living there, the culture and whynot but food is not…

This is a more nuanced version of what I was trying to say. But if the cuisine in a country doesn’t hit for me, it’s a big con.

I’m in Mexico right now having a lot of fun

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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post #97

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The national dish of Portugal is salted codfish with cabbage. Fucking gross. I will die on this hill I don't care how many downvotes it gets me. You can find Italian restaurants all over the world. Where are all the Portugese restaurants if this cuisine is so brilliant?

National dish notwithstanding, Portugal has other plenty of great seafood-based dishes. The best National food after Italian (and maybe Japanese) is Georgian, but you don't see their restaurants worldwide either.

Don’t even get me started on Octupus. Putting aside that it’s dubious ethically it’s like fucking rubber.

Georgia being a tiny third world country that hardly anybody knows about might have something to do with their lack of cuisine reach.

Portuguese is like the 5th most spoken language in the world. That’s pretty damning.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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> I find it somewhat atrocious how much we like to tell the great stories of how we went and stole, raped, killed and enslaved during the time of the discoveries, all for our own pleasure (and that of our religion). Is that really the general consensus over there? I'm trying to think of a way someone would rationalize decimating entire tribes over wood as a good thing but I'm coming up short.

Like someone has said, people don't really think about it that much. No one is out there saying we should "conquer the world like we did before", but they do look at that as the "greatest period in our history" and they praise our "courage" for "finding new worlds". Portuguese people were the discoverers, it's like the world is what it is because of our amazing courage and abilities[1]. The fact that we did that whil…

That makes a lot of sense. I have Portuguese heritage and plan on acquiring citizenship in the future. It's nice to get some insight on the culture over there. Thank you.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Yeah, no. Paying $3M for a house in SF but public schools aren’t an option because “math is racist” is fleeing progressive politics.

Show me your data, and I’ll validate your claim. The great weight of stories published on this question indicates that people are vacating to live less expensively/more lavishly, not to be with people less politically progressive. Are there a few such people? Sure. But they’re hardly the majority. There are a lot of reasons why people choose not to send their kids to public school. Sometimes it’s because they perceiv…

“Parents want schools that are safe, they want their kids good at math”.

Two things progressive schools don’t offer.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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I've always loved how migrants become expats when they're white. I had thought it was exclusively a preserve of the British in anywhere in Europe that's sunny, and people who moved to Singapore or Dubai for the money, but hey, welcome to the club, Californians into yoga!

that's a very american distinction, i think. indians call people "expats" if they are explicitly going to another country to work and have no clear intention of remaining there.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

#128

I think people from coastal California, such as the couple featured in the article, take for granted the spontaneous joy when random friends and family pop into the city, because of a work trip for example, and try to meet up. And then proceed to have a deep meaningful conversation in your native language where you get each other's references, figures of speech, jokes, and are generally on the same wavelength. It see…

Not to be pedantic but everything listed here would not be missed in the slightest by those with no desire to see their family or have friends that spontaneously make themselves available to you without prior plans. If you are sufficient in French you will certainly have a better experience than being the American stereotype that arrives without learning to speak for yourself prior to arrival.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Portugal seriously sucks. The food is bad, and yeah you can see about all there is to see in both Lisboa and Porto in under a week. I was really turned off when I went there in November. I think it's a magnet for this stuff because it's cheaper than the rest of Europe and the government has openly marketed itself to this kind of thing (to the detriment of the citizens, who are being priced out of housing and a lot of…

Out of curiosity, what is good food ?

Hamburgers! The cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast!

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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big mac

> big mac Here it is ladies and gentleman. Portuguese people love bashing Americans. They have a really narrow minded idea of what an American is, and that's that ("Americans are fat", "Americans are stupid"). Portuguese people consider themselves worldly and educated, which is ironic because for the most part they tend to be extremely provincial. I bet you that the average Californian has tried more foods than the a…

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