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Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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I've always loved how migrants become expats when they're white. I had thought it was exclusively a preserve of the British in anywhere in Europe that's sunny, and people who moved to Singapore or Dubai for the money, but hey, welcome to the club, Californians into yoga!

I think it's funny too, but a clearer definition of expat vs migrant is seeing if the person would leave if there was a crisis in their new home country.

Expats are on long term vacation. They rarely get citizenship, even more rarely participate in politics, or integrate into the community with the intention of their children being raised there though university years. If there is a war or famine Expats will immediately go back "home".

Migrants on the other and are "your people”. They may not look like you, but they intend to become a permanent fixture in the country. In a war, migrants are the first to volunteer because patriotism is strongest in those who explicitly chose their nation state (and also countries offer citizenship guarantees for soldiers).

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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For those intrigued, Greece has a "Golden Visa" program with a mere €250,000 buy-in. Spain has one at €500,000, same as Portugal. I would think Spain, with its larger cities and a language that is more familiar to most Californians than Portuguese, would have greater appeal. Ireland offers an "investor" residency program with a €1M buy-in. Just as charming and scenic, although worse weather, plus they speak something…

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Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Most of my friends are very much employed, pretty smart (they'd get a job pretty much anywhere, probably FAANG, too) and they are either out of the country or want to get out. In general, they want higher salaries (like you mentioned), but there also seems to be a clear disdain for most of the portuguese cultural heritage, to be honest. This might be an ecochamber (I'd put money on it being the case) but most people…

> I find it somewhat atrocious how much we like to tell the great stories of how we went and stole, raped, killed and enslaved during the time of the discoveries, all for our own pleasure (and that of our religion). Is that really the general consensus over there? I'm trying to think of a way someone would rationalize decimating entire tribes over wood as a good thing but I'm coming up short.

Like someone has said, people don't really think about it that much. No one is out there saying we should "conquer the world like we did before", but they do look at that as the "greatest period in our history" and they praise our "courage" for "finding new worlds". Portuguese people were the discoverers, it's like the world is what it is because of our amazing courage and abilities[1]. The fact that we did that while pillaging, murdering and raping is often not even considered.

It does not help that we have "Os Lusíadas" which is a literary wonder in terms of its form, but whose content is basically emphatically praising those times. I hate "Os Lusíadas" not due to its form, like many young people do, but due to its content and how it praises the story of how we went about being warmongers and rapists.

So while you say that people "rationalize", most people really haven't thought about it at all.

[1] We're one of those countries that are so small or have such an inferiority complex that we are obsessed with anything in the news or history of the world that involves us. We go crazy because Obama's dog is a "portuguese water dog", or because "Cristiano Ronaldo" is well-known, or because some character in a sitcom mentioned us. So knowing that we were once "great" or "responsible" for something usually fills us with never-ending pride. I can't get this mentality, and I very much despise it. I guess it just shows how disconnected I am. I love our people, and I think we're genuinely nice, polite and have decent work-ethic, as well as a country with reasonably beautiful landscape, a safe environment and nice weather (not for me, but for most people). However, that's about it. In other words, if a war broke out and I had to choose between leaving the country or fighting for it, I would definitely not fight for it, as it means very little to me. There are many things that mean much more to me than my country, and those I would be willing to fight for.

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The .com crash made me leave, it was almost impossible to stay employed afterwards, unless one would like to be jumping jobs every couple of months (many of my friends went through this, others created their own companies). I left, now it is really hard to come back before retirement, due to the ways life drives us around. It really feels like an ecochamber, or a generation thing maybe, because even with my regular v…

What do you mean by “ I seldom meet people that think that way”? You seldom meet people in Portugal that think in what way?

OP's second paragraph in relation to our culture and heritage.

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I think expatriate actually has a different shade of meaning from migrant. Expats are typically people living outside their country on a non-permanent basis (on assignment or some temporary basis), with no intention to permanent emigrate to the country. Immigrants however are people who move to a country with the intention of settling there permanently. From the article's description, it sounds like these folks are e…

It's fair to assume that British pensioners that move to Spain are not doing it on a temporary basis, however they are still called expats. This kind of language is usually an indication of exceptionalism. Another example is British newspapers which use "corruption" when writing about alleged corruption in African countries, but use "sleaze" or "controversies" when writing about alleged corruption in the UK.

I believe this is a result of parliamentary language and defamation laws

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>She also wanted her son to have free college tuition in EU nations once the family gains citizenship. As I see it, immigrants from the US have something to do win from this deal: better way of leaving, affordable homes, lower prices, safety, free healthcare, free tuition, citizenship in EU. I wonder what's in it for the Europeans. As it seems, the Portuguese people have to deal with higher home prices, higher food p…

Most European countries have an ever ageing population, so immigration can help counter that trend. Additionally there are labour shortages all over and the taxes immigrants pay also help the country.

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Portugal seriously sucks. The food is bad, and yeah you can see about all there is to see in both Lisboa and Porto in under a week. I was really turned off when I went there in November. I think it's a magnet for this stuff because it's cheaper than the rest of Europe and the government has openly marketed itself to this kind of thing (to the detriment of the citizens, who are being priced out of housing and a lot of…

> The food is bad Dear, your credibility: Goodbye.

The national dish of Portugal is salted codfish with cabbage. Fucking gross. I will die on this hill I don't care how many downvotes it gets me.

You can find Italian restaurants all over the world. Where are all the Portugese restaurants if this cuisine is so brilliant?

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Portugal seriously sucks. The food is bad, and yeah you can see about all there is to see in both Lisboa and Porto in under a week. I was really turned off when I went there in November. I think it's a magnet for this stuff because it's cheaper than the rest of Europe and the government has openly marketed itself to this kind of thing (to the detriment of the citizens, who are being priced out of housing and a lot of…

> The food is bad Dear, your credibility: Goodbye.

I am French and I love Portugal. I visited it many times, have Portuguese friends and it is the only country I would be glad to live outside of mine (I travelled the world for 7 years straight).

Now with this said, Portuguese food is medium. There are great cheeses, great starters but then it goes downhill.

Again, I have nothing but live for that country and people living there, the culture and whynot but food is not the first thing (or the 5th) when I think about Portugal.

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Please correct me, but I thought Singapore was already relatively expensive compared to the rest of Asia given its tax haven status.

Yes, Singapore is expensive and getting worse. Low taxes are nice (for everyone except Americans). SG Citizens enjoy certain benefits like the ability to purchase subsidized housing which helps to reduce the cost of living. Foreigners such as myself are stuck with a high(er) cost of living due to housing and lack of access to local schools (read: expensive private international schools. Being a small island with a de…

Us citizens can exclude $110k USD in foreign income and for Singapore $50k of housing expenses, so $160k USD or $220k SGD.

Massive tax benefits for Americans too.

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