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Expats are moving to Portugal

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Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by nmfisher »

deanCommie wrote: post #44
dimmke wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Portugal seriously sucks. The food is bad, and yeah you can see about all there is to see in both Lisboa and Porto in under a week. I was really turned off when I went there in November. I think it's a magnet for this stuff because it's cheaper than the rest of Europe and the government has openly marketed itself to this kind of thing (to the detriment of the citizens, who are being priced out of housing and a lot of…

> The food is bad Dear, your credibility: Goodbye.

Never been, but after visiting Spain last year, I struggle to believe Portugal has bad food.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by nmfisher »

c_o_n_v_e_x wrote: post #50
et-al wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please correct me, but I thought Singapore was already relatively expensive compared to the rest of Asia given its tax haven status.

Yes, Singapore is expensive and getting worse. Low taxes are nice (for everyone except Americans). SG Citizens enjoy certain benefits like the ability to purchase subsidized housing which helps to reduce the cost of living. Foreigners such as myself are stuck with a high(er) cost of living due to housing and lack of access to local schools (read: expensive private international schools. Being a small island with a de…

As someone currently living in Singapore, I can echo this.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by DeathArrow »

>She also wanted her son to have free college tuition in EU nations once the family gains citizenship.

As I see it, immigrants from the US have something to do win from this deal: better way of leaving, affordable homes, lower prices, safety, free healthcare, free tuition, citizenship in EU. I wonder what's in it for the Europeans. As it seems, the Portuguese people have to deal with higher home prices, higher food prices, but maybe there is an upside for them too?

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by DeathArrow »

>Within the mix of retirees, digital nomads and young families fed up with issues including the costs of housing and healthcare, Trumpian politics and pandemic policies,

Given that Trump is not the president since a long time and California is the most progressive US state, I'd think that Californians are fleeing progressive politics, not Trumpian politics.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by nine_zeros »

DeathArrow wrote: post #53

>She also wanted her son to have free college tuition in EU nations once the family gains citizenship. As I see it, immigrants from the US have something to do win from this deal: better way of leaving, affordable homes, lower prices, safety, free healthcare, free tuition, citizenship in EU. I wonder what's in it for the Europeans. As it seems, the Portuguese people have to deal with higher home prices, higher food p…

Portuguese economy gets a boost. In an aging society, immigration is the only way to maintain economic activity and pay our pensions/benefits.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by nine_zeros »

grapeskin wrote: post #31
jorl17 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazing that people within the country (I live in Portugal and am portuguese) mostly want to get out, and so many people seem to want to get in (to work outside). I genuinely don't 100% get it.

(Comparatively) Rich people unaffected by a country's local social and economic woes want to live there because it's cheap and they can live like kings. Locals want to get out because costs are rising and they're used like slaves. You'll find similar problems in SE Asian countries. People want to escape their oppressive governments and lift their family out of crushing poverty and unaffordable living. People from Nor…

This is understated. Most people leaving cheap countries are leaving because they hate their own oppressive governments.

Most people moving into cheap countries are going there to live a lifestyle that in unachievable to them in their home countries.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by sometimeshuman »

UncleEntity wrote: post #49
sometimeshuman wrote: post #38

I think people from coastal California, such as the couple featured in the article, take for granted the spontaneous joy when random friends and family pop into the city, because of a work trip for example, and try to meet up. And then proceed to have a deep meaningful conversation in your native language where you get each other's references, figures of speech, jokes, and are generally on the same wavelength. It see…

You know, as a (former) native Californian, if I were to use that argument against the people who migrated to California I’d probably be skewed alive.

Are you honestly comparing rich, possibly bored, coastal Californians looking for that new remote beach city to gentrify to ambitious/poor LATAM immigrants seeking a better way of life and employment in coastal California ? Those are very different stories.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by EdwardDiego »

I've always loved how migrants become expats when they're white.

I had thought it was exclusively a preserve of the British in anywhere in Europe that's sunny, and people who moved to Singapore or Dubai for the money, but hey, welcome to the club, Californians into yoga!

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by devoutsalsa »

c_o_n_v_e_x wrote: post #50
et-al wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please correct me, but I thought Singapore was already relatively expensive compared to the rest of Asia given its tax haven status.

Yes, Singapore is expensive and getting worse. Low taxes are nice (for everyone except Americans). SG Citizens enjoy certain benefits like the ability to purchase subsidized housing which helps to reduce the cost of living. Foreigners such as myself are stuck with a high(er) cost of living due to housing and lack of access to local schools (read: expensive private international schools. Being a small island with a de…

I met a woman from Singapore who told me that their are ordinary cows in the Singapore zoo. A cow is considered exotic because there aren’t any cattle farms! I thought it was funny.
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