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Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by heavenlyblue »

wenc wrote: post #69
EdwardDiego wrote: post #58

I've always loved how migrants become expats when they're white. I had thought it was exclusively a preserve of the British in anywhere in Europe that's sunny, and people who moved to Singapore or Dubai for the money, but hey, welcome to the club, Californians into yoga!

I think expatriate actually has a different shade of meaning from migrant. Expats are typically people living outside their country on a non-permanent basis (on assignment or some temporary basis), with no intention to permanent emigrate to the country. Immigrants however are people who move to a country with the intention of settling there permanently. From the article's description, it sounds like these folks are e…

I would say migrants are those who are planning to integrate, if not always culturally then at least economically in the future country.

Expats are those who are neither looking for work, learn the language or associate themselves with the locals, add to local culture.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by dopidopHN »

asdgwecww wrote: post #108
joaomval wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

big mac

> big mac Here it is ladies and gentleman. Portuguese people love bashing Americans. They have a really narrow minded idea of what an American is, and that's that ("Americans are fat", "Americans are stupid"). Portuguese people consider themselves worldly and educated, which is ironic because for the most part they tend to be extremely provincial. I bet you that the average Californian has tried more foods than the a…

So good food is having access to quality world cuisine like Japanese, Ethiopian, Indian, Polish, Italian, Thai …made by people that immigrated from those area recently and cook it the authentic way?

That’s how I understand your comment.

In that aspect, yes, absolutely. The US provide access to variety of « world cuisine »

I bet it’s harder to find good niranja in Lisbon than Columbus, Ohio.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by bradlys »

sometimeshuman wrote: post #38

I think people from coastal California, such as the couple featured in the article, take for granted the spontaneous joy when random friends and family pop into the city, because of a work trip for example, and try to meet up. And then proceed to have a deep meaningful conversation in your native language where you get each other's references, figures of speech, jokes, and are generally on the same wavelength. It see…

I wouldn’t know this joy. Literally no one I know who hasn’t lived in SF is ever interested in coming to visit. Even people I know who have family here have instead convinced their family to move away so that they don’t have to visit SF anymore. I’ve been here seven years.

Maybe your experience and people who live in LA or SD differs but seems fuckall want to visit SF. None of my friends outside of SF work in tech either. They’re all normies. (Professors, teachers, engineers, sales, etc.) I don’t think people visit SF for fun very much.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by tluyben2 »

asdgwecww wrote: post #108
joaomval wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

big mac

> big mac Here it is ladies and gentleman. Portuguese people love bashing Americans. They have a really narrow minded idea of what an American is, and that's that ("Americans are fat", "Americans are stupid"). Portuguese people consider themselves worldly and educated, which is ironic because for the most part they tend to be extremely provincial. I bet you that the average Californian has tried more foods than the a…

> Portuguese people love bashing Americans

This is not limited to Portugal though; this sentiment exists in many countries, especially among people who have never been in America. But yeah, like your anecdotal, I have many anecdotes too; like Americans in Thailand saying the food is disgusting; they only went to 5 star hotels with EU/US type food. In Thailand. And that wasn't the first or the last time in Asia. I like eating in the US, and I like to go there and meet new people. I moved to Portugal a few years ago and everyone Portuguese I meet (generally programmers) would like to live in the US, at least a few years. So not sure, guess depends on many things. I guess, like I always say, if you don't like it somewhere, just pack up and leave; good you did as you don't seem to like it. I will move too in a few years, not sure where, but we'll see.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by YATA2 »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #58

I've always loved how migrants become expats when they're white. I had thought it was exclusively a preserve of the British in anywhere in Europe that's sunny, and people who moved to Singapore or Dubai for the money, but hey, welcome to the club, Californians into yoga!

I've always loved how immigration becomes something that is bad and should be stopped when it's done by whites.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by smw »

vmception wrote: post #89
grapeskin wrote: post #31

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(Comparatively) Rich people unaffected by a country's local social and economic woes want to live there because it's cheap and they can live like kings. Locals want to get out because costs are rising and they're used like slaves. You'll find similar problems in SE Asian countries. People want to escape their oppressive governments and lift their family out of crushing poverty and unaffordable living. People from Nor…

I’ve thought a lot about that, and most “oppressive governments” only show their face if you are poor. Same for governments known as non-oppressive to be honest. I was thinking about Monaco, small town, but the actions are a high surveillance state with rigid rules, a monarchy. There simply are no poor people, but if there were, it would be seem as an oppressive autocrat (they have a congress/parlaiment, just like ot…

If there are no poor people, who does the housekeeping in the hotel rooms? Or deals baccarat?

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by djbebs »

jorl17 wrote: post #10
nazavo wrote: post #6

Portugal has been extremely popular with the nomad community too. A good dozen of friends of mine have already moved there through NHR and lots more are in the works. There are also projects like rebase.co, which make things super easy to set up base in the country. It seems like it's getting to a point where Portugal so popular, it might steer people away from itself instead.

It's amazing that people within the country (I live in Portugal and am portuguese) mostly want to get out, and so many people seem to want to get in (to work outside). I genuinely don't 100% get it.

The people in the country don't have access to that favorable tax regime ;)

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by djbebs »

smw wrote: post #118
vmception wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve thought a lot about that, and most “oppressive governments” only show their face if you are poor. Same for governments known as non-oppressive to be honest. I was thinking about Monaco, small town, but the actions are a high surveillance state with rigid rules, a monarchy. There simply are no poor people, but if there were, it would be seem as an oppressive autocrat (they have a congress/parlaiment, just like ot…

If there are no poor people, who does the housekeeping in the hotel rooms? Or deals baccarat?

People who live in France and commute to monaco
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