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No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by mdrzn »

e40 wrote: post #385
alexb_ wrote: post #105

I've recently heard about this YouTube account named Roel Van De Paar. If you've looked up any error message on YouTube recently, you've probably run into him. Because of the "no dislikes" change, he's everywhere now. And by everywhere, I mean EVERYWHERE. The account has over 2 million videos. Approximately 0.2% of ALL videos on the ENTIRE platform of YouTube can be attributed to this account, and if you check now th…

> Hiding dislikes = less people press dislike (no feedback) Wow, I just realized that I haven't pressed the dislike button since the count was removed. I didn't do it intentionally, but I literally just deleted, in my mind, the fact that there was a dislike button. Talk about unintended consequences!!

> Talk about unintended consequences!!

Talk about intended consequences. That was their whole goal.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by mrkramer »

jimmydorry wrote: post #474
mrkramer wrote: post #255

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>What feedback mechanism would you use to filter the crap? You would use ranking algorithms meaning you should crawl, scrape and analyse YouTube videos which would make YouTube probably unhappy.

Ranking based on what though? Number of comments? Number of references made to each video in other video descriptions?

Backlinks linking to the video on the web, number of views, likes, comments, NLP analysis of the title and the description of the video and yea references made to each video in other video descriptions is also good idea.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by mrkramer »

nybble41 wrote: post #441
Const-me wrote: post #392

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> YouTube is not a natural monopoly, as evidenced by the fact that there are other video hosting services (e.g. Vimeo, Facebook, PeerTube). Tesla sells solar roofs and power walls accessible to every person in US. Is it an evidence electrical grid is not a natural monopoly? No it is not. Wikipedia defines natural monopoly as following: > an industry in which high infrastructural costs and other barriers to entry rela…

> Tesla sells solar roofs and power walls accessible to every person in US. Is it an evidence electrical grid is not a natural monopoly? No it is not. Unlike competing video hosting platforms, solar roofs and PowerWalls are not the same product as the electrical grid. There is some substitution effect, but they generally work in tandem. Most solar and PowerWall-equipped homes are not fully off-grid; it can be done bu…

>If you upload your videos somewhere else—as many people do—everyone will still be able to see them.

But people would not be able to find those videos that are uploaded to the competing service/s because Google controls 90% of the internet search and on top of that YouTube is the second most popular search engine on the web after Google itself.

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Post by tinodb »

lupire wrote: post #341
tinco wrote: post #170

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It's a problem with evidence based product design. It's in almost all big products nowadays. The way Google axes products, the way Netflix axes series, the way Facebook populates the timeline. They're throwing away the intrinsic value of the product, for positive graphics in their monthly user engagement presentations. Facebook's user engagement is probably higher than it ever was. I have a friend who's one of those…

Apple's model leads to computer with keyboards whose keys fall off, because they design for surface-lecel appeal and disregard customer desires for the product.

No, but every hardware manufacturer, big or small, will have design or production problems from time to time...

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Post by dwighttk »

FartyMcFarter wrote: post #233
dwighttk wrote: post #161

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For some reason that only shows up in certain webviews (I’m not interested in the app)

You're right, it shows up on the youtube homepage as well as the recommendations on the right side, but not for a particular video while watching it.

I can’t isolate what particular view but there have been times in some list view where I want to eliminate videos but the option isn’t there.

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Post by lkxijlewlf »

alexb_ wrote: post #105

I've recently heard about this YouTube account named Roel Van De Paar. If you've looked up any error message on YouTube recently, you've probably run into him. Because of the "no dislikes" change, he's everywhere now. And by everywhere, I mean EVERYWHERE. The account has over 2 million videos. Approximately 0.2% of ALL videos on the ENTIRE platform of YouTube can be attributed to this account, and if you check now th…

I wonder how much he earns...

Not that I'm suggesting I'll mimic his approach, just curious.

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Post by im3w1l »

Nextgrid wrote: post #436
im3w1l wrote: post #283

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Having more and more ads sounds like an end of market cycle thing. Like when there are no more billions of untapped users, but you have to show revenue growth, so you crank up the ads to an unsustainable number and sneak towards the exit before it all comes tumbling down.

Growth for the sake of growth has a well-known biological equivalent: cancer, and its end-game is monopolizing all resources and killing the host (and thus itself).

All life forms do growth for the sake of growth. It can end in many other ways. Like a steady state. Or even more interesting, in regular boom ands busts: https://biologydictionary.net/predator-prey-relationship/

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Post by HWR_14 »

QuietCF wrote: post #470
HWR_14 wrote: post #443

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> There is no longer an incentive for users to down-vote I don't get that. It should have the exact same incentive to down-vote, unless you think Google no longer collects or uses that information as opposed to just hiding it.

Downvotes are used by google to suggest content. If you downvoted something, you engaged with it, which google loves and wants more of. The incentive for users/viewers to downvote something has always been to give other viewers a heads up. This doesn’t work anymore

Is "downvoted count as engagement and this boost the video" a documented result or just a rumor?

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Post by olvy0 »

electroly wrote: post #280
sph wrote: post #44

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> Recommending tons of videos I've already seen or recommending really, really old videos from people I normally watch. It's always done this, but it seems worse recently. Also, subscribe to a channel, get recommended their entire repertoire of the last decade. I have stopped subscribing, and I'm actively unsubscribing from most channels except the very small ones that post twice a year and I don't want to miss. What…

IMO mass unsubbing is the wrong response to take if you want a good YouTube experience. The best way is the opposite: subscribe to EVERYTHING you like even a little bit, and then use the Subscriptions page as your home page. Ignore the real home page, ignore the algorithm entirely. I've done this and the irritation is gone.

Mmm, this looks like it could also work for me. Thanks!
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