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No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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post #184

The only explanation for getting rid of dislike count that makes sense to me is to make big brands happy as their videos can't be made to look bad with a high dislike count and they can't be "dislike bombed" for things that may be unrelated to the content (eg the recent Activision-Blizzard scandals). Why? Because in every other way (and every way for the viewer), this makes Youtube worse. So it's a hell of a price to…

>The only explanation

I am generally of the opinion that Youtube is up there with Facebook in responsibility for eroding democracy worldwide with their filter bubbles so while I get a lot of value from all the educational and entertaining content I consume on there, there is little love lost from me.

However, in this case I think there is another explanation which I think at least is the official one: dislikes were used to bully people. I don't know what the scale of the problem was but I can imagine it was a genuine problem and that they genuinely wanted to solve it. That's not to say that there weren't financial concerns as well, but I am willing to give them the benefit of doubt here.

By the way, I think the rationale was similar for hiding vote counts on this very site and I guess they concluded that it worked, given that they stuck with it.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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post #156

I don't think it should be a surprise that as Youtube hired more and more experienced hands from cable and broadcast TV that it would progressively become more and more like TV. People complain about the manipulative algorithms. But they don't exist in a vacuum, they are the results of some execs deciding to manipulate people. And the way those decisions are made is the same way traditional TV made during all those y…

Hmm. Has YouTube been in the news for hiring broadcast execs? As somebody who is connected to broadcast, that doesn’t seem right to me - broadcast TV tends to be very control-freak-ish and the higher ups LOVE data, and I really doubt a broadcast exec would willingly chuck out an audience measurement datapoint. The broadcast ad model is that you create shows that have big audiences so you get lots of ad impressions. T…

I don't think broadcast executives would love TV ads having likes or dislikes visible to viewers on their TV screens.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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YouTube keeps declining in quality. One of the more random things it does to me is keeps directing me to Richard Wolff videos and I can’t stand that guy… it’s super annoying. If a video ends, it’ll start auto-playing a Richard Wolff video and I have to change it constantly.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

#274

Let's all take a moment to reflect on how much worse we (the software developers) have made this by building (essentially automated spam) tools like https://www.synthesia.io/ For example, their "Lays Messi" ad campaign had 650 million video variations available in 8 languages.... I predict that in a year, the majority of internet videos will not only be random stock 4K videos, but they will be overlay-ed with AI avat…

> https://www.synthesia.io/

Dear lord, that page sucked the lifeforce out of me. My condolences to those poor souls who worked on that.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure? I remember reading that data would be removed at the end of last year.

I don't have an API key handy, but it's not marked as deprecated/removed in the documentation, so I can't see why it wouldn't still be in there. The dislike count is also still present in the [0] video API response. [0] https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/docs/videos#resourc...

> it's not marked as deprecated/removed

It's not marked as deprecated or removed because dislikes were never deprecated or removed, nor implied to be.

They made it private (readable only to the uploader) and marked it as private.

A plug-in using this API will only tell you the dislike count for your own videos.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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post #206
post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What the hell is wrong with modern AI-driven recommendation engines No idea but it's been an issue ever since I've used Amazon. In a way it's kind of reassuring that their AI is not smart enough to know that after buying a vaccuum cleaner, I am probably not going to immediately buy another one.

You are more likely to buy a vacuum cleaner just after you bought one than any other random point in time. Reason is that a percentage return their first buy for whatever reason. If you are going to target someone with ads for whatever product, the ROI is actually just after you bought something …

A better recommender system would suggest items that show off the capabilities of my shiny new vacuum: cat food, thumbtacks, coarse dirt, feathers...

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

#279

They pretend to be brain dead, that's all. Look, we are brain dead, go topple us. Btw. Imagine that your body turns off "feedback sensors" in your hand and you start to grab a glowing iron ingot and notice that your fingers and hand starts to turn into charcoal but you don't feel a thing. You do this repeatedly until you notice that your hand fell off and now can't lift the glass to drink water. How nice, how beautif…

I hope you realize that a shadowban will come soon if you keep making nonsense comments like this

Go on. Nonsense? Open your eyes, wide. And witness what is happening...

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

#280
post #44

I don't personally think the dislike button is the explanation. But something seems to have changed in the Youtube recommendations algo in the last few weeks. In my experience, the algo has gotten very noticeably worse recently: - Recommending lots of 6 - 12 year old videos on topics I'm interested in (who cares about a 12 year old product review?) - Recommending tons of videos I've already seen or recommending reall…

> Recommending tons of videos I've already seen or recommending really, really old videos from people I normally watch. It's always done this, but it seems worse recently. Also, subscribe to a channel, get recommended their entire repertoire of the last decade. I have stopped subscribing, and I'm actively unsubscribing from most channels except the very small ones that post twice a year and I don't want to miss. What…

IMO mass unsubbing is the wrong response to take if you want a good YouTube experience. The best way is the opposite: subscribe to EVERYTHING you like even a little bit, and then use the Subscriptions page as your home page. Ignore the real home page, ignore the algorithm entirely. I've done this and the irritation is gone.
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