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No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by ricardobeat »

petercooper wrote: post #339
ricardobeat wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not coming across all of that sort of junk If you have 1000 subscriptions, your page must be completely full of junk that you’ll never watch? You can’t possibly be watching 1000 videos per week.

That's not the case, but I don't see your logic either. There are far more than 1000 YouTube channels putting out good content. Far more than 10,000 perhaps. Why would I subscribe to a junk channel? I subscribe to topics or people I liked. Many put out a video or two a year. Some put out a video or two a day. I end up with perhaps about 100 videos a day to skim through the thumbnails/titles of, watch a handful.. happ…

That's certainly one way to use YouTube. It sounds pretty much like cable TV (but with a very low entry cost for producers).

Very often a channel has a really interesting video that I like, but the other 250 videos are 'junk' to me. Subscribing based on that single video would not give me good quality recommendations at all.

I enjoy discovering new videos, channels and topics, not just watching the same people or staying within a bubble of my own making. That's where a recommendation engine is supposed to shine, not fail miserably as it currently does. I always assumed this is how the majority of people use (used?) the platform.

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Post by antifa »

miniwark wrote: post #257
FartyMcFarter wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a "don't recommend channel" option if you click the 3 dots button on a video. I use this liberally for all sorts of reasons and it makes my recommendations much better.

I have done it a lot for around a year, but i think than the block list is very limited, because after a will the same "blocked" channels come back again in the list. I have now stopped to use this fake feature. I am sure of it because i regularly block official news or music channels, but they appear again anyway after a wile. It's the same for the "not interested" feature. I have stop to tell them, when asked, why…

I have this exact problem on YouTube and spotify.

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Post by Snowworm »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #28
g0gzs wrote: post #5

I used the like/dislike ratio to see if something is actually a good video about the topic I'm searching, or should I continue further. For example, if I search "volvo s40 MAF sensor replacement", I won't watch someone ramble 20 minutes about how volvos are good, and why they chose the car in white instead of blue color... I want someone who'll pop the hood and replace the sensor, and those videos will usually have a…

Since they removed the dislike count, I've watched zero technical/programming and related videos on youtube. I'm not going to sit for 30 minutes and then realise the video is a pile of garbage.

It's a good thing I've moved away from YouTube for technical content. I often find answers much faster on stackoverflow/stackexchange/Reddit

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Post by TrevorJ »

Same here - I am finding a TON more videos that SEEM well produced at the start, but you get halfway in and realize it's a hired voiceover artist reading a script that was either written by GPT-3 or someone not fluent in English, and the information is not correct.

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Post by aasasd »

For me, the ‘proper’ way to use YouTube is to have two dozen playlists to ‘watch later’. They together have hundreds of videos now, if not in thousands already. What I do is, whenever I see a vid that looks genuinely interesting to me, I put it in one of the playlists—and when I want to watch something, I use the playlists. This way, a) I don't need to rely on the questionable pile that is the front page, and b) I get videos to watch from the recommendations on videos that I already liked. (Though it worked better when the recommendations didn't mirror the front page so much.)

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Post by robotnikman »

lupire wrote: post #336
ageitgey wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the mobile app, they show "pill buttons" for your detected interests across the top and you can click on them to filter those topics specifically. So they have put some nominal work into supporting orthogonal interests. The problem for me is that it just doesn't work very well. First, it's hidden deeply in the UI. Second, the topics are self-detected (poorly) and you have no way to edit them. Third, they seem to a…

The 1% smartest people in the userbase, who often are also relative ad resistant, aren't an audience YouTube (or any other large publisher) is going to cater to with active effort. At best they'll tolerate it benignly or as a reputation booster.

Agreed, it seems most of these changes to the recommendation system are for the masses who don't really care or just let autoplay choose everything for them, and not the kind of people who browse HN

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Post by acbg »

Sites like these has officially ruined YouTube for us:

https://www.socialwick.com/youtube/dislikes https://viralyft.com/buy-youtube-dislikes https://www.instafollowers.co/buy-youtube-dislikes https://socialnomics.net/2021/02/13/buy-youtube-dislikes/

...and the list goes on. Google 'buy youtube dislikes'

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by _v7gu »

heleninboodler wrote: post #328
_v7gu wrote: post #223

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I think this hits almost bullseye for the reasons of this change, but I'd add the White House along with the brands who'd rather have their dislikes hidden. However, shadowbanning is for cowards. Would you also ban the people who only cast likes without any dislikes? Both groups have the same signal-to-noise ratio and can be equally harmful.

> Both groups have the same signal-to-noise ratio I kinda doubt this, to be honest. In real life, I discount the opinions of people who only ever have negative things to say. Seems as though serial dislikers might deserve the same treatment.

Emotionally, I really get it. We feel positive towards positive thoughts and vice versa for negative ones. But in the context of information, a "recommender" that recommends everything is equivalent to one that recommends nothing: both are worthless (ie can't provide any new information)

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Post by mh- »

jeffbee wrote: post #334
alexb_ wrote: post #105

I've recently heard about this YouTube account named Roel Van De Paar. If you've looked up any error message on YouTube recently, you've probably run into him. Because of the "no dislikes" change, he's everywhere now. And by everywhere, I mean EVERYWHERE. The account has over 2 million videos. Approximately 0.2% of ALL videos on the ENTIRE platform of YouTube can be attributed to this account, and if you check now th…

> 2 million videos. Approximately 0.2% of ALL videos on the ENTIRE platform of YouTube Yeah I mean there's no way that's even close to accurate. You think there are only a billion videos on YouTube?

I can't find any reputable source or even credible estimate about the total number of videos on YouTube.

What I did find, though, is that YouTube currently touts[1] "500+ hours of content uploaded every minute", which means 43.2 million minutes of video per day if we take that claim at face value.

And a study finding the average video length was 11.7 minutes[2] in 2018.

So, naively doing the math suggests that YouTube is currently adding ~3.7 million videos per day. Or another billion videos every 9 months.

Keep in mind this doesn't account for a ton of variables and the math is pretty hand wavy. But it's the closest thing I could do to a sanity check on the numbers in 5 minutes.

Conclusion: yeah there's way more than a billion videos on YouTube.

[1] https://blog.youtube/press/

[2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1026923/youtube-video-ca...

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