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Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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I've recently heard about this YouTube account named Roel Van De Paar. If you've looked up any error message on YouTube recently, you've probably run into him. Because of the "no dislikes" change, he's everywhere now. And by everywhere, I mean EVERYWHERE. The account has over 2 million videos. Approximately 0.2% of ALL videos on the ENTIRE platform of YouTube can be attributed to this account, and if you check now th…

I see a Business opportunity for a new YouTube specific search engine, that will allow for discovery of new content but will filter all that crap:-)

I had some similar ideas but YouTube can just block it or cut API access. But would they dare? Antitrust lawsuit is glooming over them.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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That’s why I like the following better:

* Total vote: 1,320,097 count

* downvotes: 49.6% percentage

instead of separate up and down votes by raw count.

You get a quicker feel for the overall video not only by popularity but by bias.

Oops, did I say bias? I meant “useful bias”.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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post #63

Finding good YouTube videos is a non-issue. There are more amazing sciency/educational channels than it is possible to watch.[1] Just subscribe to the ones you like and go directly to https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions [1] for example: 3Blue1Brown Beyond The Press CGP Grey Captain Disillusion Cody’s Lab Computerphile EEVblog EVNautilus Electroboom Engineering with Rosie Evan and Katelyn Everyday Astronaut Hal…

don't forget Dr. Becky and Sabine Hossenfelder! And PBS Space time

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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post #105

I've recently heard about this YouTube account named Roel Van De Paar. If you've looked up any error message on YouTube recently, you've probably run into him. Because of the "no dislikes" change, he's everywhere now. And by everywhere, I mean EVERYWHERE. The account has over 2 million videos. Approximately 0.2% of ALL videos on the ENTIRE platform of YouTube can be attributed to this account, and if you check now th…

Is this guy making income from doing this? I may have to re-evaluate my career if I can pay my rent by mostly just dumping random internet content into a video.

This guy maybe not yet, but producing garbage content en-masse for social media is definitely a profitable niche. Popular "DIY" and lifehacks pages/channels are making decent bucks especially considering they are often based in third-world countries.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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post #191

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I see a Business opportunity for a new YouTube specific search engine, that will allow for discovery of new content but will filter all that crap:-)

What feedback mechanism would you use to filter the crap? There is no longer an incentive for users to down-vote (assuming you managed to even get that data). And such a search engine needs a literal army of users providing signal to evaluate the quality of content as it is released.

>What feedback mechanism would you use to filter the crap?

You would use ranking algorithms meaning you should crawl, scrape and analyse YouTube videos which would make YouTube probably unhappy.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

#256

YouTube is still useful. It's a giant repository of videos that get indexed by search engines. The way to use it is: 1) know what you want to watch beforehand 2) search using a different engine like DDG 3) use yt-dl to grab the video and watch offline The mistake would be to "log in" to the actual site, and click on the "recommended" rubbish and all that algorithmic cruft to manipulate, data-mine your soul and mislea…

90% of my time spent on youtube is caused by my subscription feed. It baffles me that people actively use youtube for the sake of its recommendations.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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You've probably ruined my recommendations forever now. :( I pretty much only stick to subscriber channels now except for stuff people send me. Since there's no dislikes I just don't browse the stuff available anymore. YouTube is definitely worse off without the dislike counter.

There's a "don't recommend channel" option if you click the 3 dots button on a video. I use this liberally for all sorts of reasons and it makes my recommendations much better.

I have done it a lot for around a year, but i think than the block list is very limited, because after a will the same "blocked" channels come back again in the list. I have now stopped to use this fake feature. I am sure of it because i regularly block official news or music channels, but they appear again anyway after a wile.

It's the same for the "not interested" feature. I have stop to tell them, when asked, why i am not interested (mainly because i have already see the video). The same already "not interested" videos, already viewed and already liked videos show up again after a wile anyway...

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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I purchased a hair trimmer on Amazon two weeks ago - Amazon is still sending me emails recommending me to buy a hair trimmer.

It's like shitty feedback ... if I did my research each of those reminds me I made the right choice but if I made a mistake Amazon is rubbing salt in the wound for weeks.

> if I made a mistake Amazon is rubbing salt in the wound for weeks

I just realised this is probably the only decent explanation. If you find fault with the item then you probably are going to be in the market again very soon and Amazon wants to be ready and waiting for you. Even if it is daft to display for 99% of people they may save x% of returns by catching someone with a silly recommendation.

They could probably tie that in to the returns system directly though I guess, but maybe people get the new order in before the return is processed?

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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post #47

I don't personally think the dislike button is the explanation. But something seems to have changed in the Youtube recommendations algo in the last few weeks. In my experience, the algo has gotten very noticeably worse recently: - Recommending lots of 6 - 12 year old videos on topics I'm interested in (who cares about a 12 year old product review?) - Recommending tons of videos I've already seen or recommending reall…

What bothers me most about the recommendations I get are the videos I have clearly watched. "You recently watched this clip, so we at YouTube think you should watch it again."

I have the same thing. For some it actually makes sense, like listening to a good song twice. But for many others it really doesn't. I'd kinda expect Youtube to be able to tell the difference between a song and some temporarily relevant vlog.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Well, to be honest, there were many things, which already ruined YouTube before. No downvotes is only a small part of it. The player is simply attrocious and that on a website, which aims to be mostly video content. No qualified empowered quality assurance on that one.

> Same script, like 8th grade essay you didn't study for, but multiplied by 100x.

Many people don't make it past 8th grade essay level, so such content will seem normal to them. I have a hunch, that that is a sizable part of the audience, which consumes above average amounts of YouTube content. Whatever engages with the masses stays, I guess. Also note, that consumption patterns are wildly different. Some people visit YouTube to get suggested to watch video to spend their time. Others go to YouTube to search for one specific thing and are annoyed, when the search results suck again.

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