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Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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For some reason that only shows up in certain webviews (I’m not interested in the app)

You're right, it shows up on the youtube homepage as well as the recommendations on the right side, but not for a particular video while watching it.

In other words, strategically hidden where you would want it most.

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It's a problem with evidence based product design. It's in almost all big products nowadays. The way Google axes products, the way Netflix axes series, the way Facebook populates the timeline. They're throwing away the intrinsic value of the product, for positive graphics in their monthly user engagement presentations. Facebook's user engagement is probably higher than it ever was. I have a friend who's one of those…

> Facebook's user engagement is probably higher than it ever was. I have a friend who's one of those conspiracy nuts and he's on there all day everyday posting dozens of media links to questionable content. His behaviour is their dream. At the same time almost none of my "normal" friends or family are still there. This matches my experience, the family members still very active are all politically involved, posting r…

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Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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> Recommending tons of videos I've already seen or recommending really, really old videos from people I normally watch. It's always done this, but it seems worse recently. Also, subscribe to a channel, get recommended their entire repertoire of the last decade. I have stopped subscribing, and I'm actively unsubscribing from most channels except the very small ones that post twice a year and I don't want to miss. What…

I genuinely don’t understand why Google got it right with Circles, realizing we have different orthogonal interests… but all my YouTube subscriptions go in a giant pile, as if advanced math, news, and rap videos are fungible content. I want some ability to create sets of channels with a focus and only access that when I want to. I think the problem is that YouTube has always been a manipulative and exploitative platf…

Maybe it's finding some connection like mathrap-focused music theory (lots of triplets)rap. I like an eclectic timeline, and YouTube could be optimizing for that, but I can see how it would be annoying if you don't dig that.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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These are the types of videos that work well on YouTube unfortunately, the problem is deeper than hidden dislikes, I dislike videos liberally and block channels from being recommended to me constantly but, there is a never ending supply of crap to be recommended because crap performs well. I think the problem is with you - you have watched so many YouTube videos that you can instantly pattern match and see through the bs but YouTube incentivizes these types of videos because it takes a long time for people to realize how trash they are and so they do well, it takes wisdom to realize what a waste of time most content on the platform is.

When I watch YouTube now, I treat it differently, I consciously know that all the content is hot trash and I shouldn’t be watching any of it. I only watch YouTube when I’m exhausted and need to not think and relax.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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I don't think it should be a surprise that as Youtube hired more and more experienced hands from cable and broadcast TV that it would progressively become more and more like TV. People complain about the manipulative algorithms. But they don't exist in a vacuum, they are the results of some execs deciding to manipulate people. And the way those decisions are made is the same way traditional TV made during all those y…

Hmm. Has YouTube been in the news for hiring broadcast execs? As somebody who is connected to broadcast, that doesn’t seem right to me - broadcast TV tends to be very control-freak-ish and the higher ups LOVE data, and I really doubt a broadcast exec would willingly chuck out an audience measurement datapoint. The broadcast ad model is that you create shows that have big audiences so you get lots of ad impressions. T…

> Hmm. Has YouTube been in the news for hiring broadcast execs?

Not really no. Probably less than the last decade in fact.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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I'm still convinced that YouTube removed the dislike button because political content related to pro-vaccine propaganda from corporate media sources (sponsored by Pfizer by the way), and specifically the White House's channel, were receiving a flood of dislikes because people genuinely are upset with this administration and the overtly irresponsible corporations they openly embrace (approval ratings at an all time low).

We can't have a user base who largely disapproves of YouTube's propagandist political affiliates interested in unchecked corporate wealth, at the expense of average citizens, as our unelected czars misguide society, now can we?

The removal of dislikes came shortly after Jen Psaki announced that the Biden Administration would be working closely with social media providers to silence what they deem as misinformation (aka control the narratives everyone is exposed to). I believe this includes YouTube, as it's one of the most powerful mediums we have for sharing insight, and for critiquing our elected officials.

That couldn't be the reason they removed the dislike button at all, no, not a bit. Big government good. Big corporation good. Billionaire philanthropy always good, never bad. (eye roll) Need I go on?

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I've recently heard about this YouTube account named Roel Van De Paar. If you've looked up any error message on YouTube recently, you've probably run into him. Because of the "no dislikes" change, he's everywhere now. And by everywhere, I mean EVERYWHERE. The account has over 2 million videos. Approximately 0.2% of ALL videos on the ENTIRE platform of YouTube can be attributed to this account, and if you check now th…

I see a Business opportunity for a new YouTube specific search engine, that will allow for discovery of new content but will filter all that crap:-)

What feedback mechanism would you use to filter the crap? There is no longer an incentive for users to down-vote (assuming you managed to even get that data). And such a search engine needs a literal army of users providing signal to evaluate the quality of content as it is released.
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