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No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by slightwinder »

jstx1 wrote: post #12
panick21_ wrote: post #7

I have literally never looked at dislikes ever as a measure for quality.

They're helpful when searching for tutorials especially on topics you don't know much about. It's a way to navigate the big mess of unknown to me channels. For example, if I'm looking for a video on how to fix something at home, the downvote ratio can quickly tell me if someone is giving bad advice or just rambling and wasting my time. For channels I watch regularly downvotes aren't relevant at all.

How often do you check the supposed "bad tutorials" to verify that this assumption is actually true?

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by benoketamad »

They pretend to be brain dead, that's all. Look, we are brain dead, go topple us.

Btw. Imagine that your body turns off "feedback sensors" in your hand and you start to grab a glowing iron ingot and notice that your fingers and hand starts to turn into charcoal but you don't feel a thing. You do this repeatedly until you notice that your hand fell off and now can't lift the glass to drink water. How nice, how beautiful this don't criticise bullshit mantra is.

Go s* up even more to big tech, what could go wrong...

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by sph »

ageitgey wrote: post #15

I don't personally think the dislike button is the explanation. But something seems to have changed in the Youtube recommendations algo in the last few weeks. In my experience, the algo has gotten very noticeably worse recently: - Recommending lots of 6 - 12 year old videos on topics I'm interested in (who cares about a 12 year old product review?) - Recommending tons of videos I've already seen or recommending reall…

> Recommending tons of videos I've already seen or recommending really, really old videos from people I normally watch. It's always done this, but it seems worse recently.

Also, subscribe to a channel, get recommended their entire repertoire of the last decade. I have stopped subscribing, and I'm actively unsubscribing from most channels except the very small ones that post twice a year and I don't want to miss.

What the hell is wrong with modern AI-driven recommendation engines? Youtube's isn't the only one that irritates me to no end. There is no automated recommendation system that is not complete dogshit for the end user. /rant

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by fold3 »

epgui wrote: post #32

Stop clicking on click-bait, you're doing it to yourself. Watch only "boring" / serious channels and you won't have that problem. That's what I do and I get great recommendations (tons of numberphile, computerphile, 3blue1brown, pbs space time, finance and economics... stuff like that).

it's true, but it's hard, you only need to click once on a clickbait video out of curiosity and you'll be flooded with garbage until you reset your whole youtube history. I switched to individious/piped and newpipe since for a more quiet youtube experience.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by socket0 »

ageitgey wrote: post #15

I don't personally think the dislike button is the explanation. But something seems to have changed in the Youtube recommendations algo in the last few weeks. In my experience, the algo has gotten very noticeably worse recently: - Recommending lots of 6 - 12 year old videos on topics I'm interested in (who cares about a 12 year old product review?) - Recommending tons of videos I've already seen or recommending reall…

What bothers me most about the recommendations I get are the videos I have clearly watched. "You recently watched this clip, so we at YouTube think you should watch it again."

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by zmgsabst »

sph wrote: post #44
ageitgey wrote: post #15

I don't personally think the dislike button is the explanation. But something seems to have changed in the Youtube recommendations algo in the last few weeks. In my experience, the algo has gotten very noticeably worse recently: - Recommending lots of 6 - 12 year old videos on topics I'm interested in (who cares about a 12 year old product review?) - Recommending tons of videos I've already seen or recommending reall…

> Recommending tons of videos I've already seen or recommending really, really old videos from people I normally watch. It's always done this, but it seems worse recently. Also, subscribe to a channel, get recommended their entire repertoire of the last decade. I have stopped subscribing, and I'm actively unsubscribing from most channels except the very small ones that post twice a year and I don't want to miss. What…

I genuinely don’t understand why Google got it right with Circles, realizing we have different orthogonal interests… but all my YouTube subscriptions go in a giant pile, as if advanced math, news, and rap videos are fungible content.

I want some ability to create sets of channels with a focus and only access that when I want to.

I think the problem is that YouTube has always been a manipulative and exploitative platform — targeting your psychology with algorithms. Now, it’s ratcheted that to the point it’s creepy and unlikeable.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by sph »

sshine wrote: post #8
nonrandomstring wrote: post #2

YouTube is still useful. It's a giant repository of videos that get indexed by search engines. The way to use it is: 1) know what you want to watch beforehand 2) search using a different engine like DDG 3) use yt-dl to grab the video and watch offline The mistake would be to "log in" to the actual site, and click on the "recommended" rubbish and all that algorithmic cruft to manipulate, data-mine your soul and mislea…

Personally, the algorithm works very effectively at stealing my time. Bikini catwalks, scamming phone scammers, MMA fights, math entertainment, people who build cool shit. This is of course subjective, but I basically can't open youtube.com without wasting 10 minutes. If I ever get the idea of going to YouTube for a legit purpose (e.g. finding a conference talk, or listening to music), my brain's first response is "o…

> I basically can't open youtube.com without wasting 10 minutes

It's the opposite for me. These days when I have 10 minutes I open YouTube and there's nothing interesting. It recommends me irrelevant stuff, stuff I've seen already, shorts or trending video crap interspersed in between in case I've suddenly become real interested in the Kardashians and football news.

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