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Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Some people are extremely sensitive to the issue of the remote work, like it is some kind of inalienable right, and any (perceived) threat to it makes them want to grab a pitchfork and proteat.

I don't get it. Things are simple. The employer sets the terms, where you work and how the work is paid. The employee either accepts the terms or walks away. Sometimes the sides engage in negotiations, where the side with more leverage receives an advantage (like a valuable hire can get a pay raise our rights to work remote in an office-first company, for example). Why make so much drama out of it? If you don't like to work in office, find a remote job, end of story.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Having seen how several family members fared in union jobs (several different unions), I swore I'd never belong to a union or work any job that required me to be part of one. They all had such an adversarial relationship with work. It's always us against them mentality. They could never see anyone in management as a human. I can't imagine living like that. As far as I can tell, the unions didn't ever solve any of the…

is it possible that adversarial relationship might exist even without a union but it would just be hidden? personally, i think i would prefer a co-ownership (coop) scheme than union, since that adversarial relationship is basically dissolved since you are also the owner along with your co-workers... idk just a thought

> that adversarial relationship is basically dissolved since you are also the owner along with your co-workers

This is only true if everyone has exactly the same responsibilities, hours, working conditions and pay. All differences lead to divergences of interest.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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It's because he is so high profile and a visionary in his field at Apple. Or was. He is merely an early big fish swimming away so expect more as draconian old-school companies try to drag employees back to their cubes.

He’s absolutely not a visionary.

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently — they’re not fond of rules… You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they change things… they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the on…

Their revenues and profits are in a historical low. Remote work is a scam. The company must return to the office, otherwise they'll go bankrupt in months. Tim Cook is so wise to save Apple with this move.

Lol

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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No, Apple has a proud tradition of firing talented people, running the company into the ground, then rehiring the same people via acquisition.

Um, > running the company into the ground how so?

They were running Apple to the ground in the 80s and then kicked Steve Jobs out in 1985.

Jobs starter Next which was acquired by Apple in 1997, bringing Jobs back home.

Hence gp’s comment about Apple’s long history of doing this…

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Their revenues and profits are in a historical low. Remote work is a scam. The company must return to the office, otherwise they'll go bankrupt in months. Tim Cook is so wise to save Apple with this move.

How is remote work a scam? Engineers don’t need a schmuck like you bothering them in person to do great work. Work from home gives everyone a private office, focus and quiet.

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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is it possible that adversarial relationship might exist even without a union but it would just be hidden? personally, i think i would prefer a co-ownership (coop) scheme than union, since that adversarial relationship is basically dissolved since you are also the owner along with your co-workers... idk just a thought

> that adversarial relationship is basically dissolved since you are also the owner along with your co-workers This is only true if everyone has exactly the same responsibilities, hours, working conditions and pay. All differences lead to divergences of interest.

well, there will always be a divergence (no two people have the exact same needs or wants) but i would argue being co-owner with others helps as a forcing function to help converge interests (you wouldn't be happy with a co-worker slacking off since they're also wasting your money/time not just 'the companys')

and there are many successful co-ops where people have different responsibilities, hours and pay, i don't think that is a requirement for co-ownership (though the variance is definitely less than traditional top-down orgs thats for sure)

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Some people are extremely sensitive to the issue of the remote work, like it is some kind of inalienable right, and any (perceived) threat to it makes them want to grab a pitchfork and proteat. I don't get it. Things are simple. The employer sets the terms, where you work and how the work is paid. The employee either accepts the terms or walks away. Sometimes the sides engage in negotiations, where the side with more…

Especially for someone in a director/lead position at Apple, it’s quite common for a change like this to be accompanied with an explanation to their team. MacRumors and The Verge are the ones who turned it into a story.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently — they’re not fond of rules… You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they change things… they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the on…

Touche. It's so silly- in the Marines we would say, "adapt and overcome." Jarheads are smarter than all of you? Suck it up and get it done.

Yes, Apple management will have to suck it up. They set the policy, their employees vote with their feet.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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“Group synergy” where “group” means “reduced real estate cost” and “synergy” means “fnord.”

Synergy means multiplication instead of addition when things are put together, like male and female oxen. You put them together in an open office and more oxen are sure to be produced.

That’s not what synergy means. That’s also not how oxen work.
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