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Rebels with a pension scheme?
Rebels with a Costco member card!
Rebels with RSUs.
Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work
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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work
#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, Apple has a proud tradition of firing talented people, running the company into the ground, then rehiring the same people via acquisition.
Um, > running the company into the ground how so?
By putting the former head of Pepsi in charge, letting him push out Jobs, and then putting the company in such a dire financial situation that when they rehired Jobs, he had to go to Microsoft for a bailout.
Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work
#263I get people who want to work from home. I get people who want to work from the office. I get people who want to do hybrid. The one group of people I don’t get are the ones who suggest people should be forced to work from the office, and not able to decide for themselves. (Obviously it depends on the role - if you’re doing hardware design you need to go in sometimes, of course.) I see some people in the macrumors com…
>The one group of people I don’t get are the ones who suggest people should be forced to work from the office, and not able to decide for themselves 1. Is anyone suggesting this? Or do you mean “ones” as in companies mandating a return-to-office? 2. I mean isn’t that what work is? Being told what to do by somebody else in exchange for money and deciding if you’re going to do it or not? 3. Personally, I don’t get the…
1) Unfortunately yes, I have seen some of that. I mean both the companies and the sideline quarterbacks.
2) Of course, but I’d hope most companies would be smart enough to be paying for productive output, not for bodily location.
3) Agreed. I personally prefer remote work, but I know many people who prefer going in - either to better structure their day, or to see others, and they should be able to do that. And I believe a competent company structure can support both of those work patterns. (At companies large enough for that sort of complexity)
Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work
#264Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently — they’re not fond of rules… You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they change things… they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the on…
Their revenues and profits are in a historical low. Remote work is a scam. The company must return to the office, otherwise they'll go bankrupt in months.
Tim Cook is so wise to save Apple with this move.
Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work
#265Good for him. These companies touting their solutions for creating a more connected world can't have it both ways. Apple was able to ship the M1 and roll out new iterations of many other offerings since the pandemic hit. They're just fine. Apple didn't collapse since the pandemic hit, and the flexibility offered by remote work is far more valuable to lots of people than the loss of in-person collaboration opportuniti…
Not to undermine your point, wich which i agree wholeheartedly, but I wanted to address one thing. I imagine quite a lot of people who worked on M1 hardware probably still had to show up to the office. For some positions it is just required. A friend of mine who worked on hardware at Apple had to go to the office almost every day throughout the pandemic (and no, i dont know what product he worked on, and I am not goi…
> For some positions it is just required.
Typically the positions for which work is "just required" are lab and hardware positions. These don't tend to have the shoulder-to-shoulder squeeze of humans and desks that I always see in open-plan offices.
Any time I have worked in a lab or on electronic hardware, I have had around 10 times the amount of personal space compared to the tightly packed "collaborative" open-plan offices that consist of programmers sitting at desks with monitors with their headphones on and desperately trying to focus.
I'd be much more enthusiastic about returning to the office if I had a private office with a door, Fog Creek style.
Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work
#266Every time there's a news story about someone at a big company with the title "Director", headlines phrase it as if it's a much higher title than it actually is. Apple surely has many Director-level people working in ML.
I think the confusion for people outside of industry is between a director of the company (eg. board member) and a director-level employee.
When I was there, Apple had 1 director for about 50 engineers (though certain people like Jordan Hubbard were director just because). 12,000 engineers gives us 240 directors of engineering. I'd say given the breadth of the software and hardware needed at Apple, maybe five of these are in ML.
Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work
#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unlike Google where Urs demanded his org back in person while he moved to New Zealand to safely work remote: https://www.businessinsider.com/google-exec-reportedly-worki...
Just before he endorsed slavery on Twitter. "A bad look" doesn't even begin to describe Urs these days. https://www.businessinsider.com/google-exec-urs-holzle-buyin...
Oh, he said the most profitable business would be to buy people for what they're worth and sell them for what they think they're worth. The joke being people think they're worth a lot more than what they actually are.
Honestly, I think it's a bit much to call that "endorsing slavery" since the intention isn't to say that buying and selling people is good.
Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work
#268Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently — they’re not fond of rules… You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they change things… they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the on…
Amen.
Corollary: all you conformists who like rules and structure, you are the useless peasantry.
Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work
#269I'm trying to hire for a position right now and it has dragged on for months for two reasons: 1) WFH is now limited to 1 day per week, and a 3 month probationary period where new hires don't even get that. 2) Salary. It's still a job seeker's market and my workplace is not keeping pace. It's spec'ed for 3 years of experience but salary is about the median for a new graduate w/o professional experience. I'm happy to t…
> It's spec'ed for 3 years of experience but salary is about the median for a new graduate w/o professional experience. How does the company's revenue per employee compare to the offered salary?
Back of the envelope, the offered salary is roughly $5000-$10,000 less than the average revenue per employee.
I'm not familiar with thinking about salaries in these terms though, how is this relevant?
Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work
#270Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently — they’re not fond of rules… You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they change things… they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the on…
Their revenues and profits are in a historical low. Remote work is a scam. The company must return to the office, otherwise they'll go bankrupt in months. Tim Cook is so wise to save Apple with this move.
How is remote work a scam? Engineers don’t need a schmuck like you bothering them in person to do great work. Work from home gives everyone a private office, focus and quiet.