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Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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You might agree or disagree with RTO but at least they aren't bending the rules for execs.

Unlike Google where Urs demanded his org back in person while he moved to New Zealand to safely work remote: https://www.businessinsider.com/google-exec-reportedly-worki...

Just before he endorsed slavery on Twitter. "A bad look" doesn't even begin to describe Urs these days.

https://www.businessinsider.com/google-exec-urs-holzle-buyin...

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

#112

even pre-pan, johny srouji wouldn't let the silicon team move into the open plan UFO and built them a trailer or something in the parking lot (per this https://www.macrumors.com/2017/08/09/apple-park-employees-op... ) guessing goodfellow has specific reasons for this move (like everyone), but feels increasingly like wfh has exposed gaps in our ability to manage or even measure the productivity of knowledge workers

How do you get from:

> And they built his team their own building, off to the side on the campus …

in the article to:

> and built them a trailer or something in the parking lot

in your comment?

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

#113
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by that? My manager at my last job was in a union. There was, however, a separate union for managers and one for ICs.

The NLRA says "Nothing herein shall prohibit any individual employed as a supervisor from becoming or remaining a member of a labor organization, but no employer subject to this Act [subchapter] shall be compelled to deem individuals defined herein as supervisors as employees for the purpose of any law, either national or local, relating to collective bargaining." ...which effectively states that if a supervisor join…

This means that manager unions do not gain the traditional protections from the law that other unions do. But - if a manager union and employer come to some agreement despite this fact, it has legal weight and the union can sue if the employer breaks the contract (and vice versa).

Managers, at least at the higher level like being discussed here, arguably do not need as many protections in order to be able to collectively bargain: Apple is likely to be much more concerned (and thus much more willing to negotiate) about 20 "Director of X" employees leaving than 20 engineers.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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I recently left Amazon for a fully remote position and that was my sole decision making factor.

Amazon WFH policy is still flexible though. For example, in my team the current policy is to work wherever we feel the most productive and happiest. You could have potentially moved within the company if that was only decision factor.

From what I hear, policy in general is wildly inconsistent within Amazon. I have heard all sort of stories from people at Amazon ranging from "world's best boss" to "horrific and Dilbertesque".

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The office is where the very expensive labs are. For at least parts of Apple engineering, very expensive equipment and prototypes are under lockdown and too expensive to duplicate for WFH. (at least that's how it was during my several years there.)

I don't think anyone (or, at least not many people) is arguing against working in the office if you have a specific need to be there . What people have an issue with is requiring a return to the office for no other reason than "group synergy".

Ironically, "group synergy" was given as the reason for cramming people into the open plan offices that everybody was glad to get away from.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

#117

I don't get the fuss about such posts. At the end of the day, it boils down to your personal choices. You love to remote work, find a job with a flexible work policy. You don't, well, here are another companies you would love to work for. Ultimately, markets (including job market) is all about equilibrium. Either companies are going to increase the salary to come back [or reduce if you are staying back at home]. The…

It's because he is so high profile and a visionary in his field at Apple. Or was. He is merely an early big fish swimming away so expect more as draconian old-school companies try to drag employees back to their cubes.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

#118

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GANs were just low hanging fruit that Schmidhuber already found. By most accounts Ian Goodfellow is kind of an asshole, and there was some drama about him a few times over the years. I don’t know the man, that’s just what I’ve heard.

Is there anything that schmidhuber hasn't done before everyone else?

Remote work.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

#119
post #49

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I am working for Amazon, fully from home. Zero expectation to ever step into the office. Each organization within Amazon is taking a different approach, leading to a lot of variability. Throwing this information out there in case anyone is put off by assuming that Amazon is demanding a return to office.

I can vouch for this as I am the only east coast employee on my west coast team at AWS and I also have no expectation of moving to west coast or returning to office. I have spoken to managers on other teams around Amazon and flexibility is entirely dependent on your director/VP (the manager 1-2 levels above your group manager). If you’re considering an offer from Amazon I suggest you make it very clear from the start…

Good luck

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

#120

I don't get the fuss about such posts. At the end of the day, it boils down to your personal choices. You love to remote work, find a job with a flexible work policy. You don't, well, here are another companies you would love to work for. Ultimately, markets (including job market) is all about equilibrium. Either companies are going to increase the salary to come back [or reduce if you are staying back at home]. The…

It's because he is so high profile and a visionary in his field at Apple. Or was. He is merely an early big fish swimming away so expect more as draconian old-school companies try to drag employees back to their cubes.

He’s absolutely not a visionary.
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