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When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by cptskippy »

sigstoat wrote: post #292
cptskippy wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re-read what you just wrote and break down what you said: > Baffles me that people think sarcasm is a good way to communicate on the internet. The subtext here is that the idea of using sarcasm on the internet should be obviously stupid to everyone, thus you're stating anyone who exercises it is stupid. That or you're clearly smarter than everyone else. > You are begging to be misunderstood, either accidentally, or m…

> people posting on the internet do invest much thought most of the time. i would like to sign up for the internet you're on. where can i send my money?

That'd be nice right? Sorry that was a typo.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by smcl »

DHowett wrote: post #30

Another day, another Casey post dunking on my team. Hi! This tweet misses the mark only a little bit; in a previous blog post, we apologized[1] pretty frankly to everyone involved in this discussion. I'll admit that we didn't list him by name, but neither did we list the other handful of folks involved. We should have. In turn, Casey rightly did not acknowledge it except to tell his followers that it was not a real a…

> Another day, another Casey post dunking on my team

Man, you have to take criticism better than that. Remember, we don't know anything about this other than the tweets plus these replies from you and your colleague here on HN. So the tweets honestly didn't seem to describe a particularly bad problem, the only thing that stood out to me was the fake-name-on-discord thing which is yet to be substantiated. I was willing to chalk it all up to an OSS contributor feeling ignored and ranting a little, but the feeling I have now is that there's some pettiness and bickering going both ways.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by alias_neo »

gspr wrote: post #283
chrisseaton wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Baffles me that people think sarcasm is a good way to communicate on the internet. You are begging to be misunderstood, either accidentally, or maliciously.

What's different about the internet when it comes to written sarcasm?

Nothing, obviously.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by j_barbossa »

I really hate when fellow devs say things are "simple" like Casey Muratori said in the first place. Nothing is simple in the software (and hardware) world! If something seems simple then most likely because smart people have written libraries for you that abstract the hard part away.

It also shows a certain arrogance to call a topic "simple", because it is supposed to show the audience that you are an incredible expert in the field.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by robertlagrant »

curiousgal wrote: post #78
HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #72

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I’m kind of in awe by the unprofessionalism of this response. In an era of incessant corporate PR, it’s somewhat refreshing lol.

Chastising devs who address issues directly is a great way to make sure canned PR responses is all we get.

No, devs giving bad responses is what creates PR jobs.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by dangerface »

lhecker wrote: post #139

Hi! I'm the person who wrote that blog post. If you have any questions whatsoever, please let me know! English is not my native language and "The solution is trivial" was meant sarcastic. The solution isn't trivial at all, nor is it complete, because solving the corner cases is complex. I'd also like to mention ahead of time that DirectWrite/Direct2D is very fast at drawing western (Latin) text without coloring (>200…

> Casey's suggestion wasn't unique to me, as a significant number of other terminals do it exactly that way in OpenGl, something I was quite familiar with already.

In your reply to Casey you made it sound like you where unaware when you say things like "I'm somewhat surprised that other accelerated terminals aren't already doing this" is OpenGL not accelerated? What am I missing here?

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by curun1r »

gspr wrote: post #283
chrisseaton wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Baffles me that people think sarcasm is a good way to communicate on the internet. You are begging to be misunderstood, either accidentally, or maliciously.

What's different about the internet when it comes to written sarcasm?

The internet lends itself to immediate/premature responses. People read headlines without reading the article. People stop reading in the middle as soon as they feel they have something to say about what they’ve read. People don’t take the time to think about what they’ve read before responding.

And that’s before you even get to the internet’s tendency to read what’s written in the least generous way possible in order to score internet points with a response to something wholly divorced from what the author intended.

Now add sarcasm to that mix. Pulling sarcasm out of context often leads to quick-draw responses to the exact opposite of the point the author was making.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by jt2190 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #189
gldnspud wrote: post #172

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Perhaps leave sarcasm out of technical blog posts, or add a footnote to indicate sarcasm? I couldn't tell you were being sarcastic and it seems others couldn't as well. I only found out through this comment. Text is the worst medium for sarcasm since sarcasm is often signaled by vocal inflection or body language, neither of which are present in your post.

Baffles me that people think sarcasm is a good way to communicate on the internet. You are begging to be misunderstood, either accidentally, or maliciously.

Yes. It’s even formally known as Poe’s Law:

> Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, every parody of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Post by cptskippy »

Veen wrote: post #225
chrisseaton wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Baffles me that people think sarcasm is a good way to communicate on the internet. You are begging to be misunderstood, either accidentally, or maliciously.

It's not really sarcasm (which usually connotes contempt or mockery, which I suspect the blog writer didn't intend). It's irony, and irony has been widely used in written communication since we stopped using writing exclusively for record-keeping. It can and does work on the internet, provided (i) the writer is prepared to accept that a subset of readers won't "get it"; they'll fail to pick up on contextual clues tha…

Writing is hard. Writing for a multi-lingual audience is harder. Writing in your non-native tongue is harder still.

> EDIT: To clarify, in this case, irony was a bad idea because it was badly executed.

That was exactly how I felt reading it. Had it been the last statement of a long and complex explanation, it would have landed differently and warranted a chuckle.

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Post by kevinmgranger »

ethbr0 wrote: post #132
Longhanks wrote: post #93

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And the Windows Terminal team reeks of this. There's so many blog posts saying look, we're so smart because they're reimplementing something both Linux and macOS had for *years*, as if the whole world of CLI was waiting for their savior.

When CMD is your benchmark... (In all fairness, PowerShell has a lot of good ideas)

Are PowerShell and Windows Terminal the same team?
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