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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by wara23arish »

jollybean wrote: post #160
skissane wrote: post #99

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> 3) Cultural Chauvinism A very common thing for humans to have. US, UK, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Japan, China – to list just a few countries which have a lengthy history of it, there are many more–and some will question whether some of the countries I have listed have really moved beyond it. (I'll even say my own country, Australia, has a decent amount of it – even if the form i…

The things that I have seen over the last two months (a lot of social media coming out of Russia, street interviews, phone calls, public statements) make me believe that Russia is completely different than elsewhere in the West. The number of people who'd be easily willing to just murder a bunch of people for an invented reason is much greater than elsewhere. Americans can get 'nationalist' but they are absolutely no…

Americans are gregarious and positive but they simply do not know about what goes on abroad. Either they do not know or do not care.

That signals that they too miss a pretty basic level of empathy.

The number of countries ravaged/destroyed by americans and their decisions is countless.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by pmontra »

Maakuth wrote: post #122
watwut wrote: post #101

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I think that difference is that USA was not actually that deeply interested in secretly running whole of Europe. Meanwhile, Russia was deeply interested in doing so last two decades.

And they were very interested in doing so before that. Communist parties across the world received a lot of their funding from the USSR.

I know. That stream of money got smaller or run dry. But new parties are born all the time in Europe. Some of them manage to run countries after not so many years. They need money to run their campaigns and they end up doing the best interests of their sponsors. You can see country by country who wants to really help Ukraine and who is dragging their feet even inside some government coalitions.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by wongarsu »

azangru wrote: post #123
grapeskin wrote: post #27

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Should Google be preparing for sanctions against the US the next time they invade somewhere? Companies usually don't plan for unprecedented actions.

> Should Google be preparing for sanctions against the US the next time they invade somewhere? Who's gonna sanction the US?

Russia or China, or any of the states that due to Chinese investments has closer ties to China than to the US.

It wouldn't happen over trivial matters, but for an incident where the international community near universally disapproves of a US action China might want to show strength by imposing sanctions.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by ahoka »

throw-ru-938 wrote: post #149
avianlyric wrote: post #126

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I think Russia is the wrong place to look for what European countries will and won’t do. On the whole the EU project, and the approach of tight economic ties across the continent has been a huge success. Until Ukraine there hasn’t been a war in Europe for 75 years. Before the EU and the drive to economic integration, Europe had been in a state of almost perpetual war between the different states. Even today the econo…

> Until Ukraine there hasn’t been a war in Europe for 75 years. You forgot the Yugoslav wars in the 1990s.

Don't forget the Cod Wars between Iceland and UK!

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by jeroenhd »

bob1029 wrote: post #102
RamRodification wrote: post #59

RBC calculates that running a 40MW data center on diesel would require 12,000 liters of diesel fuel per hour Holy crap

I hope figures like this make developers think twice about about throwing yet another layer of abstraction on to the pile. How many VMs does an average business actually require, assuming the software wasn't written like total ass?

No, but you see, we need a distributed Kubernetes cluster because that would totallypad out my resume, uh, I mean, make development easier!

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by FpUser »

watwut wrote: post #134
skissane wrote: post #116

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I don't think I'm a "Russian shill", but honestly I was sceptical about suggestions that Russia would launch a wholesale invasion of Ukraine until it actually happened. I thought Putin was just bluffing and sabre-rattling. Given how the war has been going for Russia, I suspect Putin now wishes that people like me had been right.

You are not someone expected to look at what is happening in foreign country. As in, you are not expected to read their journals, you are not expected to follow detailed news about what is happening there. You are not expected to have detailed knowledge of what that country does abroad either. When we talk about people who actively tried to sway public opinion or actively tried to influence politics, the expectations…

>"When we talk about people who actively tried to sway public opinion or actively tried to influence politics, the expectations are different."

Often utterly false. Long history of involvement in Middle East and Indochina affairs for example looks like those figureheads have cotton candy in for a brain.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by unmole »

avianlyric wrote: post #126
fosk wrote: post #35

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This war has proven that as long as national interests are strong enough, those economical ties most likely won't last..which is a scary precedent for Europe in general.

I think Russia is the wrong place to look for what European countries will and won’t do. On the whole the EU project, and the approach of tight economic ties across the continent has been a huge success. Until Ukraine there hasn’t been a war in Europe for 75 years. Before the EU and the drive to economic integration, Europe had been in a state of almost perpetual war between the different states. Even today the econo…

> Until Ukraine there hasn’t been a war in Europe for 75 years.

Yeah, except for the wars in:

- Cyprus

- Yugoslavia

- Georgia

- Moldova

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by jeroenhd »

dustymcp wrote: post #92
medo-bear wrote: post #84

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in some places across EU decimal points are thousands separators and commas indicate decimals. i find this confusing too

Living in a country that does this, it is very confusing.

The comma is used as a decimal separator in almost all European countries, with only English-speaking countries, Liechtenstein, and Switzerland using the full stop. Luxembourg uses both, confusingly, but in Europe people using the full stop as a decimal separator are the odd one out.

I find long versus short scale for numbers like billion vs milliard a lot more confusing. I also would have a hard time adjusting to the lakh/crore system used elsewhere in the world. The decimal separator, though? That's just applying reason. Fuel prices may be high right now but they definitely haven't increased a thousandfold.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by FpUser »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #89
rich_sasha wrote: post #82

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But after Georgian invasion of 2008, and Chechen wars of 90s.

The west didn't really care about the invasion of Georgia or Chechnya. All they did was "condemn it" to save face, then moved one. Same with the occupation of Crimea in 2014, except that now they condemned it harder . Same how the west also didn't care, that after WW2, the USSR occupied all of Eastern Europe, or that before that, Hitler occupied Austria and Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia. Seems like there's a historic…

>"the amount of warmongering and territorial occupation you can get away with is directly proportional to to your military force and inversely proportional to the willingness of other states to go to war with you as the occupier"

I would also add economic power and ability to inflict painful sanctions to the equation. But were you really expecting anything else? This is how it always worked and the only thing that prevents hot global scale conflicts now I think is the threat of MAD.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by m55au »

dredmorbius wrote: post #187
m55au wrote: post #146

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No need to complicate things with obscure units. You have: 40 MW/30% / (10722.2 W*hr/L) You want: L/hr 40 MW/30% / (10722.2 W*hr/L) = 12435.259 L/hr

GNU Units has builtins for some standard energy equivalent units, specifically "tonoil" and "barreloil". "litreoil" doesn't seem to be included by default (though it can be added via a local configuration file). literoil = 1 barreloil * liter/barrel And the calculation gives me ...10.69 kWh/L The barreloil value is for crude, diesel may have a slightly higher net energy density. But we're good to 3 sig figs. I could…

I looked around a bit in "definitions.units" and there are actually energy densities in there for various fuel sources, including diesel.

  You have: 1 diesel
  You want: Wh/L
   1 diesel = 10103.465 Wh/L
Slightly different value than in Wikipedia, but close enough.
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