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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by thinkindie »

skissane wrote: post #46
fosk wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This war has proven that as long as national interests are strong enough, those economical ties most likely won't last..which is a scary precedent for Europe in general.

Russia has a lot of special characteristics which most other European states lack: (1) huge population and area; (2) permanent member of UN Security Council; (3) accepted nuclear weapons state with one of world’s largest nuclear arsenals; (4) superpower with a massive multi-decade empire only 3-4 decades ago. Few other European states have any or all of these characteristics; UK and France probably come the closest,…

also - any French or British imperialist intentions toward any territory in Europe are gone since Napoleon (and UK had none toward Europe). At the same time, Soviet Union, which just took over the zarist empire, only ended 30 years ago. You can totally see from Russian propaganda that they are still looking at re-instating Soviet Union/zar empire. I see this as pure soviet/zar/russian/nationalist revenge.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by dustymcp »

medo-bear wrote: post #84
can16358p wrote: post #75

> at a current price of €2.175 per 1 liter What? €2175 per liter of diesel? Am I missing something? /edit: nvm I misinterpreted decimal point as a thousands seperator.

in some places across EU decimal points are thousands separators and commas indicate decimals. i find this confusing too

Living in a country that does this, it is very confusing.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by vardump »

can16358p wrote: post #75

> at a current price of €2.175 per 1 liter What? €2175 per liter of diesel? Am I missing something? /edit: nvm I misinterpreted decimal point as a thousands seperator.

A very reasonable misunderstanding, because that's exactly how 2.175 would be interpret in Finland. As 2175. In Finland, comma is the decimal separator.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by Hamuko »

Ekaros wrote: post #83
Ndymium wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're correct, though I wonder what the reason could be other than expiring. Thinking out loud, maybe they've had trouble paying due to money transfer issues between Finland and Russia. In any case it's not directly due to any sanctions as the company is not sanctioned.

The new seller went bankrupt? The massive increased price in electricity and long term contracts with other parties could have made them unable to continue running. Specially if it is some rather small company.

It seems unlikely for a company on the scale of Yandex to make a deal with a small company unless they had literally no other choice. And like nicce pointed out, they seemed to have a five-year contract with Ilmatar Energy Oy, which in 2020 did 30.3 million euros in revenue and 1.9 million euros in profit, and seem to still be solidly in the business of selling wind power.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by xiphias2 »

riffraff wrote: post #32
fulafel wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia and Europe spent a lot of time and invested a lot of faith to building commerce, in both Europe and Russia the prevailing idea was that the interdependency is a force for peace and stability and it seemed to be mostly working for a while. (Also Russia is also a very risky business environment, so hedging...) (Also^2 Yandex is not under sanctions, the current outage doesn't seem to be about sanctions according…

it's worth noting that the whole EU starting from the earlier european communities was built on such an idea that tighter and tighter integration would make war unlikely (and in some cases, unthinkable). While this didn't work out for the Russian relationship, it wasn't a totally stupid plan.

While this is true for the communities (people) themselves, a lot of us in Hungary who love EU learned languages and moved west, and practically lost our right to vote because of how the voting system is designed, even though we are still Hungarians officially. This allowed Orban to get authoritian power that is now undefeatable.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by AussieWog93 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #3

I would like to know why Yandex though that opening data centers in western counties would be a good idea. Surely they knew that, as a Russian company, if their government ever becomes aggressive, they'll also be targeted by sanctions.

You could say the same about manufacturing in China.

Nobody expected Putin to go this far.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by pmontra »

watwut wrote: post #39
riffraff wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's worth noting that the whole EU starting from the earlier european communities was built on such an idea that tighter and tighter integration would make war unlikely (and in some cases, unthinkable). While this didn't work out for the Russian relationship, it wasn't a totally stupid plan.

European countries were super naive to what Russia is becoming. Or rather more plausibly, willingly not looking there, because money.

Just think about all those EU politicians that are in business with Russian companies or are rumored to be paid by Russia. I never understood why the USA didn't find ways to finance all European political parties after 1989 instead of letting them go around looking for money (politics has costs, no shame) with some of them ending up in Moscow or Beijing.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by mike_d »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #58
Ndymium wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, their electricity sales contract ~~expired~~ (EDIT: ended for unspecified reasons) and they don't have a new contract. Their electricity transfer contract is still valid because their Finnish company is not a part of sanctions. (Electricity sales and transfer is separate in Finland.) When they get a new electricity sales contract, then the transfer company will reconnect power. I think the only matter here relat…

I don't think a contract expiring would lead to power being cut off this suddenly; there will have been extensive negotiations beforehand and a grace period.

It is "sudden" when viewed with an external lens.

The only example I can think of where companies make potentially negative contract negotiations public is when cable companies enter into pissing matches with content providers (i.e. call your local NBC station now and tell them you want to keep their channel on DirecTV!)

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by skissane »

jollybean wrote: post #79
skissane wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia has a lot of special characteristics which most other European states lack: (1) huge population and area; (2) permanent member of UN Security Council; (3) accepted nuclear weapons state with one of world’s largest nuclear arsenals; (4) superpower with a massive multi-decade empire only 3-4 decades ago. Few other European states have any or all of these characteristics; UK and France probably come the closest,…

I don't think those are it. 1) Massive Natural Resources (carbon fuels) which mean they don't have to do anything productive and can make huge money. 2) Totalitarian with Kleptocracy. The population accepts it over anything else, Putin keeps all competitors at bay. This means a single cabal can make big decisions. 3) Cultural Chauvinism. 30% are 'totally cool' with wiping out their neighbours in the vein of some cook…

> 3) Cultural Chauvinism

A very common thing for humans to have. US, UK, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Japan, China – to list just a few countries which have a lengthy history of it, there are many more–and some will question whether some of the countries I have listed have really moved beyond it. (I'll even say my own country, Australia, has a decent amount of it – even if the form it takes looks rather different from that of some other countries.)

> 'Security Council' is not that important.

> Nukes are actually not important

> Their 'former empire' is not relevant

I think all these things tie into national attitudes and culture. Many Russians remember when their country was one of the most powerful countries in the world (at the height of the Cold War, arguably second only to the United States, and the Soviets even managed to beat the Americans at some things); even for those too young to remember it, it was a large chunk of the life of their parents/grandparents. The degree to which their country has fallen is rather obvious to all, and things like the permanent UN Security Council membership and the nuclear arsenal serve as enduring reminders of that past "glory". Many Russians have no interest in going back to the "glory" days, but a substantial chunk of the population do, and there are many more who may be susceptible to propaganda promoting the idea – and that makes them open to supporting, or at least not overtly opposing, government policies aimed at doing that. By contrast, there are many other countries who either have never had that kind of history, or else for which the days of "imperial glory" are much more distant, well beyond the memory of the living–and citizens of those other countries are far less likely to acquiesce in imperial designs, especially when those designs start to impose costs on everyday life.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by dry_soup »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #58
Ndymium wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, their electricity sales contract ~~expired~~ (EDIT: ended for unspecified reasons) and they don't have a new contract. Their electricity transfer contract is still valid because their Finnish company is not a part of sanctions. (Electricity sales and transfer is separate in Finland.) When they get a new electricity sales contract, then the transfer company will reconnect power. I think the only matter here relat…

I don't think a contract expiring would lead to power being cut off this suddenly; there will have been extensive negotiations beforehand and a grace period.

The grace period of 10 days ended recently.
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