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Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

European countries were super naive to what Russia is becoming. Or rather more plausibly, willingly not looking there, because money.

Just think about all those EU politicians that are in business with Russian companies or are rumored to be paid by Russia. I never understood why the USA didn't find ways to finance all European political parties after 1989 instead of letting them go around looking for money (politics has costs, no shame) with some of them ending up in Moscow or Beijing.

I think that difference is that USA was not actually that deeply interested in secretly running whole of Europe. Meanwhile, Russia was deeply interested in doing so last two decades.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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RBC calculates that running a 40MW data center on diesel would require 12,000 liters of diesel fuel per hour Holy crap

I hope figures like this make developers think twice about about throwing yet another layer of abstraction on to the pile.

How many VMs does an average business actually require, assuming the software wasn't written like total ass?

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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> at a current price of €2.175 per 1 liter What? €2175 per liter of diesel? Am I missing something? /edit: nvm I misinterpreted decimal point as a thousands seperator.

in some places across EU decimal points are thousands separators and commas indicate decimals. i find this confusing too

Some places = everywhere except UK and Ireland basically: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#/media/File:...

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Article is misleading. Yandex is not part of the sanctions yet. Electricity was cut simply because they failed to make a new contract. Finnish source: https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000008786328.html

Yep, their electricity sales contract ~~expired~~ (EDIT: ended for unspecified reasons) and they don't have a new contract. Their electricity transfer contract is still valid because their Finnish company is not a part of sanctions. (Electricity sales and transfer is separate in Finland.) When they get a new electricity sales contract, then the transfer company will reconnect power. I think the only matter here relat…

> I think the only matter here related to the war could be that electricity sales companies might be reluctant to sell a contract to them, due to PR reasons. But I bet one of them will, and they will get their power back

Not necessary, as actual engineers and electricians working for such companies could also refuse to make that connection. Also it's likely that sanctions will be more severe soon as Russian troops will do more crimes.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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That would be 20 years ago? And then he created up own Oligarchs groups. > Taxes, land ownership, banking, bankruptcy etc. The economic block in the government remains very professional and impartial even now. Russia has one of highest inequalities and quite poor population. It is also heavily corrupt. The macroeconomics works, but lower levels don't. > The only thing Russia really needed to become a normal state was…

While all that you said is true regarding the current situation, 2000s were a different story regarding economics. Putin's pocket oligarchs did not have the same amount of influence and in that period of time plenty of new independent businesses were created, some of which became large companies. Yes, some of those are now being taken over by state, but again, that's not what was happening in 2000s. In 2000s Russia o…

Plentiful 2000s have nothing to do with Putin. These were plentiful regardless of Putin not because of him. It is normal for every society to take a time to adapt with completely new situation. The fact that it was the beginning of 2000s where things started to become much better after the mess of 1990s is true for almost every ex-USSR and Eastern Europe country.

But Putin has always been the man he is now – the war in Chechnya began in 1999.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Yandex bought the land in 2013, so it was before the invasion of Crimea.

But after Georgian invasion of 2008, and Chechen wars of 90s.

I never saw as many EU flags as in Tiblisi, Georgia in 2015, not even in the EU. But Georgia is so far away that's impossible to help in case of a Russian attack. The Black Sea would be a way to get there only after a war with Russia. Only Turkey could do something because they share a land border. This is totally outside the EU reach except with words.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Article is misleading. Yandex is not part of the sanctions yet. Electricity was cut simply because they failed to make a new contract. Finnish source: https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000008786328.html

Legally Yandex is well integrated into the EU. Their main co. is a dutch, public company. Not sure how sanctions should work in this case.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the US government had been aggressive in the past and it had no problems opening and maintaining data-centers in countries which had openly been against that aggression (I'm thinking mainly about France&Germany vs the US invasion of Iraq in 2003). Where Yandex mis-calculated is that Russia (the country) is not a hegemonic power like the US is (militarily, economically and culturally) and as such it doesn't ha…

That's not really comparable, is it? The US as a lot of leverage over Germany, France and most of the EU, so seeing them power off US datacenters would result in some serious sanctions and retaliation from the US that could hurt the EU. Whereas western EU countries have more leverage over Russian companies without fearing much retaliation. So it's not really the same scenario here.

> The US as a lot of leverage over Germany, France and most of the EU,

Yes, that's exactly what I meant when talking about US's hegemonic power.

> Whereas western EU countries have more leverage over Russian companies without fearing much retaliation.

Some parts of the Russian political elites really believed (maybe they still do) that Europe's industrial heartland (or what's left of it, anyways) depended on cheap Russian energy. That was of course correct, Germany's industry greatly depends on access to cheap Russian energy. Where the Russians mis-calculated here was in thinking that the Europeans (meaning mostly the Germans) would relinquish their industrial advantage at the behest of the US (and partly the UK, even though is debatable how much of a geo-strategic role the UK still plays on the continent). As the German chancellor said a couple of days ago the upcoming total embargo on Russian energy will have economic consequences (there were talks of a 3-5% hit on the economy), imo this is a very risky play in the middle- to long-term, you don't want a united Germany hit by des-industrialisation in the middle of Europe.

Later edit: This recent editorial from FT's Martin Wolf is pure propaganda, it puts the onus 100% on the Germans and asks them to economically suck it up for the benefit of Europe and of "democracy" (apparently whenever the US gets involved in a war is always for protecting "democracy").

> A brutal conflict has come to Europe of a kind not seen since the second world war, and even where some of its worst atrocities occurred. For Germany in particular, it is a moment of challenge and opportunity. The challenge is to defend Europe’s liberal civilisation. The opportunity is for historic redemption. Russia must not prevail. This is what matters most. There will indeed be pain. But it must be borne for a far greater cause.

Again, it is my belief that this won't hold in the middle- to long-term, the current US leaders are playing with fire, an united Germany strategically allied with Russia in 10-15 years' time would be the end of many things on this continent, first of all of "democracy".

[1] https://archive.ph/qVVi2#selection-2031.117-2038.0

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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RBC calculates that running a 40MW data center on diesel would require 12,000 liters of diesel fuel per hour Holy crap

Checking that out:

  You have: 40 MWh
  You want: tonoil
          * 3.4393809
          / 0.29075
  You have: 1 tonoil
  You want: barreloil
          * 6.8419323
          / 0.14615754
  You have: 6.84 barrel
  You want: liter
          * 1087.4731
          / 0.00091956298
So, roughly 1,100 litres of oil per 40 MWh(thermal).

The generator is likely ~30% efficient at converting heat to eletricity, so bump that up to 3,700 litres/hour.

Even allowing for other inefficiencies, 12,000 litre/hr seems high to me. Though as a practical measure it may be correct. It's within a factor of 4 of the actual demand though.

(Calculations using GNU units.)

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