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Post by jfk13 »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #194
throwaway515 wrote: post #168

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> Basically this means that in modern dating, if you are short, you are very likely to die alone and this trend will only get worse in the future. I'm 5'6, and after almost 15 years of dating sites to modern dating apps, I have indeed accepted that yes, I will very likely die alone. My therapist has even half-seriously suggested I try lying about my height, and qualms aside, from the studies I've read, any plausible-…

I'm a tad over 6' but girls are so used to guys lying about their hight that they usually say I'm 6'2". On multiple occasions I've had my date insist over my objection that I must be taller than that. It's not a stretch for me to imagine that widespread lying by men about their hight has actually collectively made the problem worse for men, e.g. women insisting on 6 feet because they've dating 5'10" guys claiming to…

> women insisting on 6 feet

...should stick to dating insects, surely.

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Post by aortega »

michaelmrose wrote: post #603
aortega wrote: post #99

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>there aren't really downsides to short stature in modern life It even have several health benefits. Except that in dating, women overwhelmingly prefer men over 6', and very small differences like 5'7 vs 5'9 double or triple the matches in online dating sites. If we are talking about 5'6 vs 6'0 the difference is ridiculous, like over 200X more matches. Women even divorce short men at double the rate of tall men. Thos…

I went in this fully expecting you to be correct but drastically pessimistic in terms of hard numbers. Instead you were exactly wrong on the easiest point to check divorce rate. Short men tend to marry later on average but divorce at a substantially lower rate. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/link-between-mens-height-divo... The part about 200x the matches is both obviously pulled out of the air and grossly exaggerate…

>If you are 5'6" you are most apt to be most attractive to women who are 5'4"

In which fantasy world that study was done? lets see.

mmm 2012, the year Tinder was created, so it was basically in a different era, but let's continue.

I see 'questionnaire based data' so it's self reported data! Of course you are going to report that you love 5'6' men. But you really don't. People say politically correct things, and then do a different thing, and this is specially true in dating. Look for studies based on Tinder or other recent online dating sites to have more accurate and real data.

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Post by 0dayz »

jl6 wrote: post #592

I’m not here to deny that short men face challenges, the same way that anyone with any characteristic deemed negative by the prevailing dating culture faces challenges (plenty of examples to choose from - age, weight, ethnicity, wealth, disability, education, class, caste, language). I am here, though, to throw cold water on the ridiculous borderline-incel hot takes from men here who have drawn a blank on dating site…

There are some good points here (stop listening to uptight young women), but you ruin it completely by essentially ending it with a less condescending version of "have sex incel", effectively making the entire comment a very lengthy filler until that point.

But yes women aren't monotone, but that's not what these men are complaining about, it's the same complaint you may face as a female but instead it might be your butt, breasts or weight.

In other words that the dating game IS unfair because it's hyper fixated on one element of a person effectively objectifying them.

That said, dating online is always a handicap no matter how much of a precived 10/10 you are, since it'll never be able to make a stranger able to validate you as a whole and vice versa, in contrast to a reoccurring social meeting it gives you ample time to allow both you and the stranger to validate you.

The issue there of course is that at least in the west that you have a lot of old myths and norms taught to children that warps our perception on how we form social connections (i.e. We go on autopilot in school expecting friends to be handed to us).

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Post by michaelmrose »

aortega wrote: post #497
johnny22 wrote: post #418

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so you're saying you've never had a date. I'm like 5'8 maybe 5'9 depending on when you measure me. it's not that hard to get a date. I even have computer nerd chub.

I'm an old man with children. Fortunately when I was dating, internet almost didn't exist. Women barely had any choice except the guys they saw everyday. Now is a total different world.

This is like the single lump of labor fallacy except its the single lump of mammaries fallacy. There are still roughly the same number of women chasing the same number of men in a larger more connected graph as there are in many smaller disconnected ones.

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Post by EricDeb »

maxcan wrote: post #172
daenz wrote: post #108

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Yep. Nobody wants to talk about it, but the amount of abuse that is directed from otherwise-socially-conscious women towards short men is pretty disgusting. It's extremely common for groups of women to laugh at and deride short men, both online and publicly in real life. It's eye-opening. (And before you ask, no I am not short, I've just witnessed the abuse first hand).

100%, but you're right that nobody wants to talk about it. I guess I've just adapted by growing thick skin around the issue and just not letting it bother me. That thick skin is, IMHO, a trait that I think has become vastly underappreciated in our society.

True but we certainly don't tell anyone else in modern society to simply develop thick skin towards unnecessary abuse (minorities, lgbtq, etc)

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Post by morelisp »

maivais0eil wrote: post #459

Story… When I was attending Highland Park High School in Illinois around the early 2000s I knew a kid who used to drive different 100,000+ dollar sports cars to school every day. He got straight As, was popular, captain of the tennis team or whatever, handsome, etc. But I believe he wasn’t content being shorter than others because when he went to college, he decided to have surgery to make him taller. He was living i…

How's his sex life though?

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Post by throwaway64554 »

mjan22640 wrote: post #608
throwaway515 wrote: post #168

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> Basically this means that in modern dating, if you are short, you are very likely to die alone and this trend will only get worse in the future. I'm 5'6, and after almost 15 years of dating sites to modern dating apps, I have indeed accepted that yes, I will very likely die alone. My therapist has even half-seriously suggested I try lying about my height, and qualms aside, from the studies I've read, any plausible-…

Women look for the ability to climb the social hierarchy in men: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7pyPl-q_-0 Height is a predictor of success, and women correctly pick that up: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2709415/ When lacking height, you need to compensate by boosting other markers, that women latch on. Things like managerial position, luxurious housing, car, dressing etc.

Throwaway for obvious reasons, but for me the compensation was (and still is to some extent) having a very large penis.

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Post by lmarcos »

aortega wrote: post #99
chrischen wrote: post #35

> “Don’t be so sure of yourself, short man!” The problem is that it's still socially acceptable to see short stature as some objective faux-pas. There's really no difference between a person proudly declaring they only like "white" people and a person declaring they only like "tall" people. If the guy said "Don't be so sure of yourself, black man" maybe it would have been acceptable in the 1920s, but it surely isn't…

>there aren't really downsides to short stature in modern life It even have several health benefits. Except that in dating, women overwhelmingly prefer men over 6', and very small differences like 5'7 vs 5'9 double or triple the matches in online dating sites. If we are talking about 5'6 vs 6'0 the difference is ridiculous, like over 200X more matches. Women even divorce short men at double the rate of tall men. Thos…

> Basically this means that in modern dating, if you are short, you are very likely to die alone and this trend will only get worse in the future.

Maybe in America. Plenty of countries where the average height is lower than what the article mentions. Not to mention that most European countries are "ahead" regarding respect than America.

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Post by seanp2k2 »

PaywallBuster wrote: post #595
jl6 wrote: post #592

I’m not here to deny that short men face challenges, the same way that anyone with any characteristic deemed negative by the prevailing dating culture faces challenges (plenty of examples to choose from - age, weight, ethnicity, wealth, disability, education, class, caste, language). I am here, though, to throw cold water on the ridiculous borderline-incel hot takes from men here who have drawn a blank on dating site…

> My advice to y’all is to get out of the sausage factory Certain cities/countries can be day and night! Imagine SF is one of the worst places to be for single men

San Jose is worse. They call it “Man Jose”. Plenty of profiles on dating sites won’t even consider someone outside of SF / Oakland since it’s so much trouble if the city person doesn’t have a car.

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Post by flyandscan88 »

omginternets wrote: post #81
Gimpei wrote: post #73

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Height does appear to be correlated with income[1]. So it’s entirely possible that discrimination has existed and continues to exist. People seem to think that because something is difficult to measure, it isn’t there, but that simply isn’t true. Lookism could also be a big problem, but the causal effects of being unattractive are hard to identify. Imagine trying to assemble a treatment and control group for that. Wh…

>even if it isn’t as “bad” can’t it still recognized as a lesser form of bigotry? Yes. In fact, that's exactly what I said. It's also worth calling out the sheer madness of equating height discrimination to racism, and pretending not to see the problem.

They are not equivalent and I disagree with the OP's example. Racism is significantly worse. That doesn't mean heightism/lookism is not an injustice worth examining and discussing however
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