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Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by bbbobbb »

I am not the most social person and maybe this is a somewhat of a 'bliss of not knowing' due to being ~6'2", but is this obsession with height common in Europe?

I don't recall any of my friends mentioning height as a criteria. I guess I see women dating taller men almost exclusively, but in a sense that the man is the same height or taller, not over 185cm or whatever.

I can't even recollect how tall are like 80% (as in, taller, same or shorter than me) people I know unless I know them very well. It never crosses my mind.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by jl6 »

I’m not here to deny that short men face challenges, the same way that anyone with any characteristic deemed negative by the prevailing dating culture faces challenges (plenty of examples to choose from - age, weight, ethnicity, wealth, disability, education, class, caste, language).

I am here, though, to throw cold water on the ridiculous borderline-incel hot takes from men here who have drawn a blank on dating sites and thereby divined the true nature of women. As if women are a monolithic bloc conspiring against your genes. As if women are spherical horses acting out the simple laws of your evolutionary psychology. As if women don’t face their own challenges in finding meaningful relationships. As if “women” just means “attractive white 18-25 year old heterosexuals” and you don’t see the double standard.

I didn’t read all the comments but didn’t spot a single one from anyone female. My advice to y’all is to get out of the sausage factory and start meeting some people in real life.

It’s not women making you forever alone, it’s your monocausal mindset.

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Post by chii »

3qz wrote: post #44

Lookism is much worse than racism or sexism but nobody ever wants to talk about it.

it depends on what you mean by 'worse' though.

People choose mates based on perceived genetic fitness using proxy metrics, such as symmetry, height, skin color and other traits (which may or may not be genetic, but is assumed to be, like intelligence).

the fact that today, women have become more selective of these traits than the past, due to their new found economic opportunities and freedoms, means that some subset of males who would've been selected in the past (when women's choices were much more limited) are now alienated (rightly or wrongly so).

But i dont believe there to be a solution to this lookism problem, while still maintaining freedom of choice in mates.

I do believe there's a solution to systemic racism, but not for "lookism".

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by nathias »

chrischen wrote: post #66
nathias wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you confusing sexual preference with chattel slavery?

Sexual preference is largely shaped by societal influences as well. As I stated at the end there's historical pretext to this: fat women used to be preferred by men. Sexual preferences have changed over time. It's just as wrong as assuming that patriarchal society is some universal truth. Assuming that it is some innate quality that women are attracted to people taller than them is also flawed. What about homosexual…

There are probably many factors that determine preference ranging from genetic, enviromental, personal-history, cultural, that determine it either immediately or through some other mechanisms, but we just don't know that yet. In any case preference isn't comparable to an institution, for many reasons beyond the mechanics of preference.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by PaywallBuster »

jl6 wrote: post #592

I’m not here to deny that short men face challenges, the same way that anyone with any characteristic deemed negative by the prevailing dating culture faces challenges (plenty of examples to choose from - age, weight, ethnicity, wealth, disability, education, class, caste, language). I am here, though, to throw cold water on the ridiculous borderline-incel hot takes from men here who have drawn a blank on dating site…

> My advice to y’all is to get out of the sausage factory

Certain cities/countries can be day and night!

Imagine SF is one of the worst places to be for single men

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Post by afr0ck »

colordrops wrote: post #530
aortega wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>there aren't really downsides to short stature in modern life It even have several health benefits. Except that in dating, women overwhelmingly prefer men over 6', and very small differences like 5'7 vs 5'9 double or triple the matches in online dating sites. If we are talking about 5'6 vs 6'0 the difference is ridiculous, like over 200X more matches. Women even divorce short men at double the rate of tall men. Thos…

We are on a website filled to the brim of people using their abnormal intellects to excel beyond the vast majority of society and amass wealth. I'd go so far as to say that double digits of posters here are part of the 1%. Stop whining about a superficial perceived inferiority that has no real impact on your ability to survive and thrive, and use your galaxy brains to figure out how the mating game works. I'm relativ…

Could you please give more details so that frustrated youngsters like me can learn from your experience. What did you do to understand? And what are your conclusions?

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by SergeAx »

Women do not prefer tall men, they prefer men taller than themselves. This is called hypergamy, and is not limited to height.

There are two strategies of hypergamy play. First, male player may accent his other strong characteristics, like wealth, or physical strength, or education, or sports (not necessarily athletic) or other things society regards as prestigious.

The second strategy is to find and form a relationship with roles inverted. Meaning prioritize women who are wealthier, older, more dominant, better educated and so on. Those women are experiencing much more problems with traditional hypergamous relationship, because their selection of hypergamous partners is vanishingly small, so they may consider relationship with reversed roles.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by ad404b8a372f2b9 »

throwaway284534 wrote: post #122
ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #18

That's incredibly sad, the comparison to boob and nose jobs is apt. It's a symptom of a sick society when people are so insecure about their bodies they feel they have to undergo unnecessary surgery to fit in. My cousin had this procedure done almost 30 years ago, but she was pathologically small, at a height which makes it hard to function.

As someone who got a nose job, I’ve heard this line too many times to count. It seems that people want to believe the only reason I would remove the hump on my nose is because of society’s beauty standards. I’m not allowed to simply not like it. Why this same logic doesn’t apply to hair dye or clothing, I’ll never know. Y’know what’s funny too? I’ve never once met someone who both admired big noses and chose to incre…

I suppose it's a spectrum of risk and motivation. On one side low risk modifications motivated by vanity such as hair dyes, on the other getting your legs sawn off because you think you're not good enough to find a woman.

Perhaps some nose jobs end up closer to the hair dyes and teeth straightening end of the spectrum, but I can't help but see a clear distinction when you start cutting flesh and breaking bone.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by ad404b8a372f2b9 »

xiphias2 wrote: post #41
ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #18

That's incredibly sad, the comparison to boob and nose jobs is apt. It's a symptom of a sick society when people are so insecure about their bodies they feel they have to undergo unnecessary surgery to fit in. My cousin had this procedure done almost 30 years ago, but she was pathologically small, at a height which makes it hard to function.

,,people are so insecure about their bodies’’ While I agree that it’s probably not worth it for the operation, multiple studies have shown that heigh is an important factor in mate selection (and I believe there’s a consensus on it), so using the word insecurity, which refers to a mental problem, diverts thinking of alternative solutions (like better fitness) to a bad direction.

Sure it affects it, but you don't need to be tall or even fit (within reason) to find a mate. There is no need for alternative solutions because the problem has been misstated from the beginning.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by siva7 »

jl6 wrote: post #592

I’m not here to deny that short men face challenges, the same way that anyone with any characteristic deemed negative by the prevailing dating culture faces challenges (plenty of examples to choose from - age, weight, ethnicity, wealth, disability, education, class, caste, language). I am here, though, to throw cold water on the ridiculous borderline-incel hot takes from men here who have drawn a blank on dating site…

This! I am shocked how often men act as if they have to be someone else and then wonder why their dating life went nowhere.
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