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Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Post by throwaway48375 »

goosedragons wrote: post #436
sieabahlpark wrote: post #432

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Doesn't seem like the rest of the world's universal healthcare did any better than ours? You have farfetched dreams that government run anything would somehow be not shit. You'd hardly get any coverage and I doubt the deductible would be anywhere sufficient.

You don't get completely fucked if you lose your job and then get sick/injured? Is that not better? I pay literally $0 to go to the doctors or emergency room.

If you lose your job then you qualify for Medicaid and get free doctors visits and emergency care. The people who get fucked the worst by our system are the working poor. The people who make just over the limit for Medicaid and have crappy employer sponsored plans.

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Post by hemreldop »

refurb wrote: post #421
jason0597 wrote: post #389

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"I suffered so my kids have to learn to suffer too" is not a good line of thinking if we want to improve the world and the economy for the next generation

Removing every obstacle from your child’s life will cripple them for life.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

immigrantheart wrote: post #499
Forgeties79 wrote: post #487

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>But for Gen-Z ers that work in low paying warehouse jobs, they won't be as fortunate. Very good example. I have multiple friends in "warehouse jobs" and they hate it. It breaks down their bodies, the breaks are inadequate, the pay is JUST barely enough to keep them from quitting on the spot, etc. They have no energy for anything beyond work. They go home, try to recover, and wake up the next day to do it all again.…

Yeah that makes sense. I wasn't aware of US investments in the arts. But wouldn't art or non STEM generally suffer from randomness and power law distribution? I.e, only a few musicians make it, a few actors make it, compare it with traditional engineering, medicine, accounting, and law as profession.

People fail in their professions and pursuits all of the time. There’s no way we can eradicate failure. That being said, the cost of failing and being a musician isn’t as high as failing as a doctor, because you don’t need to take on six-figure debt and nearly a decade of structured education after 12 years of grade school -> high school to become a musician.

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Post by spaniard89277 »

cplanas wrote: post #450
spaniard89277 wrote: post #135

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COL and everything, 135K is like the 1% in Spain. On topic: I have the same feeling. I'm trying to get a dev job, that would be a huge jump of income for me. But I'm 34, how much should I grind just to get "entry-level" stuff? I was pretty unmativated in my job, just coasting by and pretty much doing the bare minimum that allowed me to be in peace with myself. Remote work increased my productivity and my hapiness ove…

Spaniard here. Over 50k is definitely possible, particularly now with so many remote opportunities available. Unfortunately, those positions are highly-coveted, so prepare for long interviews with multiple stages. I think becoming a software engineer is totally possible for you, you are only in your mid-30s. However, I think you need to like the field, at least a bit. Do you enjoy it?

I do think so, yeah! I only seems a vast field and a daunting task to build stuff that I like. I can do some front-end stuff with no so much complexity all by myself, but I have to put quite a lot of work because I forget some syntax and I spend time debugging.

When I see experienced people in videos etc they do everything so much quicker. I know this is normal but it feels that it will take me a lot of time to get there.

I'm currently in a self-paced bootcamp (open-bootcamp) and so far I'm happy. I went with beginner knowledge on Git, CSS, JS and Python, and I improved a lot of my OOP understanding which was very lacking, and their full-stack path touches also Java. I plan to take some compiled languages too, purely out of interest.

They also have projects, although I'm not sure how they structure that, but I hope that takes me up to speed to be productive.

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Post by kitten_mittens_ »

xur17 wrote: post #255
noasaservice wrote: post #178

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A median is one such average. By wanting to know the mean or the range shows that you're trying to cherrypick the result you want. > The average house sold in 1946 cost 1.75X. The median salary was X. > The average house sold in 2022 cost 7.33Y. The median salary is Y. Its clear from all the communications, unionizations, Great Resignation, and more that wages are completely broken. And that above shows what it looks…

> A median is one such average. By wanting to know the mean or the range shows that you're trying to cherrypick the result you want. I think GP is just trying to make sure we're comparing apples to apples. To me it almost comes across as you cherry picking data (average house price vs median salary).

That's where I was going, yeah.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=OBTh only has data for median house prices from 1963, and household income from the mid '80s. The spread growing isn't heartening.

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Post by kitten_mittens_ »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #294
xur17 wrote: post #255

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> A median is one such average. By wanting to know the mean or the range shows that you're trying to cherrypick the result you want. I think GP is just trying to make sure we're comparing apples to apples. To me it almost comes across as you cherry picking data (average house price vs median salary).

It's just the data that's available. The median house price so far this year is over $390K, by the way. The earlier value was for last year.

Q1 of 2022 is just shy of $430K according to the St. Louis Fed.

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Post by spacemanmatt »

patrick451 wrote: post #478
bombcar wrote: post #181

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Many people would consider a suggestion to live in the Midwest as about the same as a suggestion that they spend the rest of their life living in a decrepit sewer system.

And yet, it's only these coastal "livable" towns that I've ever seen somebody defacate on the sidewalk. In the midwest, at least people are potty trained.

40% of U.S. residents can be described as "coastal" so you're painting with a pretty broad brush.

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Post by droobles »

kupopuffs wrote: post #116
droobles wrote: post #94

Tech is an exception to the rule, I've told friends it's tech or die tongue in cheek. Most of my friends aren't in tech, and all of them are convinced they will never own a home or get ahead in life, and so find it unwise to start a family, so might as well live it up now as there is no social safety net and most of them don't have employer insurance. A lot of jobs will hire hourly and cap the worker at 34-39 hours a…

Where you do live? in the US 30 hours is the minimum. I hope they know their local law

Late reply, but I live in Missouri. Many of these places could likely be reported but I'm not sure the information is widely spread enough and if it is they still fear losing their main source of income to fight it.

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Post by ThePrankster »

teakettle42 wrote: post #350
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Wow, I had actually never considered "figuring something else". Thanks for this amazing insight. It's almost as useful as telling someone with depression to "just be happy". Rent in my town is one of the cheapest among bigger cities and I already live very frugally (public transit, only shop for groceries on sale and healthy food, don't go out to parties, don't drink, no addictions, no online subscriptions, only free…

> cheapest among bigger cities You’re not forced to live in a bigger city. You weren’t forced to uselessly over-educate yourself. You aren’t forced to stay where you are, in a dead-end, complaining about how it’s everyone’s fault but your own.

You are right. I chose to stay in a middle size city because there are jobs and rent is not too high.

My education is none of your concern, especially because I actually got paid both for my Bachelors and Masters, due to academic performance scholarships. It cost me nothing and still paid better than most jobs.

I’m not in a deadend, I do very well, I just have zero prospects of retiring or owning a house. I’m not complaining though, I got it better than many people. I’m grateful for that, and especially even more grateful for not having to be someone so bitter like you. Have fun dying soon of old age in your rich life, with no friends or family bc none can stand your boomer personality :)

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Post by RugnirViking »

AvocadoPanic wrote: post #461
goosedragons wrote: post #436

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You don't get completely fucked if you lose your job and then get sick/injured? Is that not better? I pay literally $0 to go to the doctors or emergency room.

Someone pays, just not you at the point of service.

In the US you pay more IN TAX per person than other countries pay for their entirely otherwise free healthcare. Yet you have insurance, and have to pay premiums ON TOP of that!
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