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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by wonderbore »

Existenceblinks wrote: post #129
wonderbore wrote: post #123

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Where do you spend 120 baht a meal? That's a restaurant meal, not the average meal. I don't spend more than 60 baht in Bangkok. At $7 (250 baht) you're talking about a night out (maybe except alcohol), way off of the "average meal".

(including drink) .. if you eat rice something with water everyday, it's quite a tight lifestyle.

I love the tightest lifestyle eating rice and 1-2 side dishes from street vendors who deserve the money rather than foreign investors to extract money from the economy like leeches.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by throwaway2037 »

nine_k wrote: post #426
arcade79 wrote: post #397

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What exactly is insane about it? I was surprised when my parents had 1Gbit in 2009. I was delighted when I could get 500Mbit in 2013. I'm slightly miffed that I don't even get 1Gbit in 2022. I literally laugh at providers attempting to convince me to get whatever with 10 or 20Mbit uplink speeds, in 2022l Yes, they exist. Anyhow. What's insane about a 10Gbit uplink? I wired up my apartment for 1Gbit in 2001. I've been…

At home you are free to make everything 10G-capable, have a NAS that can saturate such a link, etc. On the wider internet, few resources are happy to dedicate such bandwidth to you, even if you can consume it. Not even every popular torrent can muster so much incoming bandwidth. I can see how it may make sense if you run a popular public server from your home; maybe more convenient than colocation, but still is not a…

I feel the same. I am an übergeek, but I see no reason to pay for more than 100Mbit/sec, but 1Gbit and (soon'ish) 10Gbit will be available. Where I live, 100Mbit/sec is laughably cheap. I get a sales call once per month: "100Mit/sec is so slow! Would you like a upgrade?" I have no use for it. That said, I view myself as the exception to the rule. Please don't read this post as "1Gbit+ is useless" -- only that I don't have a use.

Real question: If you are an Internet gamer, I assume that latency per packet is lower for 1Gbit+ connections, so it is useful for many customers.

More: I feel the same about monitor resolutions above 4K. Anything above 4K on a 27inch monitor makes no sense for my body size / sitting height. I cannot use a vertical monitor taller than 27inch, and above 4K is too small for my aging eyesight! Again: I am sure there are many interesting applications for 4K+ and 27inch+. I hereby wish good luck to all the whippersnappers who will prove me wrong with interesting applications of 4K+ and 27inch+!

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by throwaway2037 »

namibj wrote: post #464
merlyn wrote: post #447

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25Gbps is not insane if you are using commodity hardware. If you are buying any sort of datacenter switch, most likely it will be 25G/100G already. 10G/40G is dead tech. Now, 400G uplinks are still pretty reserved, but 100G (and its' breakout, 4 x 25G) is common as dirt now.

Are there any small (affordable, energy-efficient) switches with those speeds? Say, around 8-24 of the 25G lanes? You can buy a dual-port SFP28 card for 250 EUR by using the QNAP "accessory"[0] which is just a ConnectX-6 Lx EN with a fan to work in the NAS systems they market it for. This is quite efficient due to the PCIe4 support not hogging many lanes (half of the 8 lanes can be enough depending on usage), but to…

MikroTik is a market leader in barebones 10Gbit/sec routers. However, multi-port 25Gbit/sec is very expensive! This model is 2800 USD and has 12x 25Gbit/sec and 2x 100Gbit/sec ports: https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2216_1g_12xs_2xq

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by thomastjeffery »

OJFord wrote: post #487
thomastjeffery wrote: post #323

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I think you have successfully illustrated the failure of "global south" as a replacement term. I'm not against replacing "third world", but something with the word "south" is ambiguous and counterintuitive.

Funnily enough until they said their country was such, I assumed they were American saying 'global' South to distinguish from meaning a South American country. 'Southern hemisphere' is fine though I think? And I assume that's what was meant.

If they meant it as a replacement for "third world" (in the contemporary sense, not explicitly about the cold war), then they didn't mean anything to do with south as a direction.

Your conclusion is my point.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by throwaway290 »

rayiner wrote: post #484
throwaway290 wrote: post #454

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> That’s the plan, yes. Just to clarify, the plan is to stop developing? > Japan, Singapore, and Korea can get richer than France or Spain, but they still get lumped in with the other non-white people in “the global south.” Global south/north divide lumps SK, SG and JP into the north. I have a bigger problem with it putting Russia there, but not e.g. Argentina. Besides, note how the term "developed" sounds like it ha…

> Global south/north divide lumps SK, SG and JP into the north. Only if you arbitrarily make exceptions for what’s “south”—ignoring the fact that Singapore and Taiwan and Korea are south of China. The phrase itself implies a permanent association between “south” (I.e. non-white, since skin color is a function of latitude) and “under-undeveloped.” That seems far worse to me than acknowledging that developing countries…

Korea is hardly south of China. Regardless, the term is not supposed to be geographically correct, and to me it is a feature. It's a vague subjective term, as if it's been designed for people to think twice before using it and make their point using a more precise metric instead. That's why I think it's better than "developing nation", which is just as arbitrary but tries to hide that.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by hotpotamus »

bombcar wrote: post #294
hotpotamus wrote: post #253

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Well, when I say consumer, I mean unmanaged and less than $100 for 4-8 ports. I assumed that when gigabit over UTP was formalized in 1999, I wouldn't have to wait a quarter century to upgrade, but here we are. And to be fair, gigabit still basically does what I need.

The power usage on 10GB copper is nuts so most of the cheapest switches come with SPF cages.

I'm guessing it's less than the one or two dozen 60 watt bulbs I used to use to light my house. But yes, I've heard this for a long time - at my work we used twinax or fiber often for top of rack switching and that's one of the reasons I was told. Not sure if twinax is much less power intensive, but I do have a buddy who's using regular old coax in his house (moca or something like that) as a multi-gig backbone (still less than 10G) now and he likes it. Nowadays that I have more money, I would have run fiber alongside the cat 5/6 cable to future proof things, but I'm told terminating fiber is a technical challenge. I guess there's no free or even cheap lunch for 10G yet.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by neitsab »

quelltext wrote: post #463
neitsab wrote: post #177

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Reading this thread, I am reminded of how cheap telco prices are in France: e.g. in 2020, fibre internet plans averaged between €26 and €28.35 (USD 28-30 at current rates) per month.[0] Mobile plans are also on the cheap side, to the point of being competitive with many third world countries (for example, I wasn't that impressed with prices in Thailand in 2020 for comparable plans, only a 1-2€ difference with what I…

You need a French address though.

I was under the impression that they only requested an ID and a mean of payment, but after verification you are right, a proof of residency is also required for postpaid plans.

If you know someone in France, you may ask them to make a "solemn declaration" that you live at their address; then you only need provide their own proof of residency (people living with their parents routinely do so).

Tourist and prepaid SIM cards are still exempted and, depending on your case, can prove quite interesting.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by fragmede »

nine_k wrote: post #426
arcade79 wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is insane about it? I was surprised when my parents had 1Gbit in 2009. I was delighted when I could get 500Mbit in 2013. I'm slightly miffed that I don't even get 1Gbit in 2022. I literally laugh at providers attempting to convince me to get whatever with 10 or 20Mbit uplink speeds, in 2022l Yes, they exist. Anyhow. What's insane about a 10Gbit uplink? I wired up my apartment for 1Gbit in 2001. I've been…

At home you are free to make everything 10G-capable, have a NAS that can saturate such a link, etc. On the wider internet, few resources are happy to dedicate such bandwidth to you, even if you can consume it. Not even every popular torrent can muster so much incoming bandwidth. I can see how it may make sense if you run a popular public server from your home; maybe more convenient than colocation, but still is not a…

> Not even every popular torrent can muster so much incoming bandwidth.

So? The process of wringing out the bottlenecks is to eliminate the ones you can, and be mad about the ones you can't.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

redisman wrote: post #444
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #325

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Most people's mental map has basically all of Africa in the southern hemisphere, but geographically that is far from the case. We have 195 countries in the world and only 33 of those are entirely on the southern hemisphere. Here is one example of an illustrative map: https://i.redd.it/w2tv9dda1xzy.png

Whoever came up with the term must think that the “south” starts at the tip of Italy

Yeah, basically. That puts almost all countries in Africa, and the Middle East, Mexico, India etc., in the "south".

Or not necessarily that the inventor of the phrase thinks like that themselves, but rather that they think most people think that way.

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