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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Too » Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 4:38 AM UTC

denysvitali wrote: post #200

lukasLansky wrote: post #197

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My ethernet is also capped at 1 Gb/s for most of my computers. The 10 Gb/s connection is still useful as it makes sure that things running at different devices won't affect each other. Streaming won't affect games won't affect work-related video calls. It's great.

Yes, in that sense you'd have a "dedicated" 1Gbps for each device. But realistically, how often do you need that? I don't know about you, but the only time I would reach such a peak would be in case I download something huge while watching Netflix at 4k (which I don't have) and while at the same time downloading an update for my phone and a game for the PS5 (which I don't own). I would argue that the likelihood of al…

Families with two teenagers could easily hit 3x 4K Netflix/YouTube streams, 2x gamers and 1 backup sync at the same time.

But even such high peaks should be covered by “only” 1G.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by glowingly » Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 4:42 AM UTC

hedora wrote: post #416

AdrianB1 wrote: post #296

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I just upgraded some of my home network to 10 Gbps; it was way cheaper than I thought: - 3 NICs with SPF+ at ~ $45 a piece - 1 switch with 4 SFP+ and 1 RJ45@1Gbps: $140 - 1 switch with 2 SFP+ and 8 x RJ45@1Gbps: $100 - ~ $100 for all the DACs and AOCs So I have the backbone and 3 computers @ 10 Gbps and a number of other devices left at 1 Gbps, all for $500. This is just because I have many devices connected and some…

What's the power consumption on that stuff? Last time I checked 10GBit switches were drawing high 100's of watts.

The specs of the two switches could be the Mikrotik CRS305 and the CSS610.

Probably less than 20W under load (assuming DAC or SFP+ SR Multimode). My setup has a CRS309 (8 SFP+) and CSS610, and it's 12W with almost all ports active (though not much load).

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by the_pwner224 » Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 4:42 AM UTC

karakanb wrote: post #410

vetinari wrote: post #292

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> good luck doing 500 mbit wireless reliably Most routers and wifi adapters are crap. Buyers do rarely go beyond "wifi 5" or "wifi 6", and do not realize that there's much more. The older Apple Macbook Pros (pre-2019) came with 3x3 MIMO ac adapters. If you had capable AP on the other side, you could reliably do gigabit with them. The newer ones have only 2x2 MIMO, just like the rest of the laptop market, so you will…

> Buyers do rarely go beyond "wifi 5" or "wifi 6", and do not realize that there's much more. Would you mind elaborating on this? I would like to learn more to revamp my home setup, which is currently on wifi 5.

https://www.duckware.com/tech/wifi-in-the-us.html

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by throwaway290 » Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 4:44 AM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #442

throwaway290 wrote: post #436

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Developing vs. developed country is always relative, and the term and the implied benchmark is set by developed countries. In other words, effectively developed = what we are, developing = trying to be what we are. It also places unnecessary upper bound on progress (if you call yourself developed, I guess you can stop developing then?). Ultimately it is forcing a finite game onto the world. Global south sounds like a…

> In other words, effectively developed = what we are, developing = trying to be what we are. That’s the plan, yes. > Ultimately it is forcing a finite game onto the world. Global south sounds like a better term. Except that it’s geographically inaccurate as well as kind of racist. Japan, Singapore, and Korea can get richer than France or Spain, but they still get lumped in with the other non-white people in “the glo…

> That’s the plan, yes.

Just to clarify, the plan is to stop developing?

> Japan, Singapore, and Korea can get richer than France or Spain, but they still get lumped in with the other non-white people in “the global south.”

Global south/north divide lumps SK, SG and JP into the north. I have a bigger problem with it putting Russia there, but not e.g. Argentina.

Besides, note how the term "developed" sounds like it has an objective, final and fixed definition, but always invites moving goalposts. Now you use some financial metric. Tomorrow someone uses education levels or democracy.

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The truth is that everybody should keep developing, and development can entail different things to different people. If you say "I'm developed, and that other person is developing", "we are good, but they are not good yet", all you get is resentment when in fact you want global cooperation.

"Developedness" is a vague, subjective measure that indicates duck all except hubris on the part of whoever coined the term (not coincidentally, that was developed countries).

A vague measure warrants a vague term. "Global South" is far from perfect, but it is less bad. It is obviously geographically inaccurate, which on a meta level is quite fitting.

I don't think I could ever use either term without air quotes, but at least with global south they are more or less implied.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by FridgeSeal » Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 5:01 AM UTC

haydio wrote: post #428

FridgeSeal wrote: post #412

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I feel you. Here in Australia: $90/month nets you “100/40mb”, which is really more like “~85mb down, 25 up but only a quiet night, if you’re next to the router, and it hasn’t rained within the last week”.

If you have to be "next to the router" than it's a problem with your infrastructure, not then NBN

The point is, that even if I were to plug my computer directly into the router, I'm not getting _good_ speeds, I simply wanted to head off comments like "have you tried 5Ghz networks? Have you tried a quieter band? Have you tried x/y/z other thing?".

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by cortesoft » Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 5:25 AM UTC

mackeyja92 wrote: post #450

vxNsr wrote: post #448

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I know nothing about your story, but based on what you said it sounds like it’s optimized already and the line-use fees+admin overhead pretty much explains why no one can offer better pricing. Again I know only what you wrote here, but that’s my uninformed opinion.

I’m not sure. The ISPs are charging $150+ for 10G plus you pay Utopia network $30/mo for the fiber line. So $180/mo total for the cheapest ISP.

Sure, but the ISP has to pay for transit, too. You aren’t going to be able to get settlement free peering as an ISP like that.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by cortesoft » Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 5:27 AM UTC

bell-cot wrote: post #55

cm2187 wrote: post #5

Not convinced by the use case section. Very few servers will allow you a full 25gbit download, let alone anything more than a 1gbit (and often less). And if you own the server on the other end, that sort of bandwidth comes at a cost. I think beyond 1gbit, the benefit become super marginal and the hardware expensive.

This +10. For the vast majority of users, having 25Gbit/sec home fiber is like having a 250 MPH-capable supercar. Big, bad bragging rights. Token-at-best use cases.

Depends on how many people are in your house. You can’t have 5 people driving at 50 MPH with that supercar, but you can with the internet connection.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by jjeaff » Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 5:42 AM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #442

throwaway290 wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developing vs. developed country is always relative, and the term and the implied benchmark is set by developed countries. In other words, effectively developed = what we are, developing = trying to be what we are. It also places unnecessary upper bound on progress (if you call yourself developed, I guess you can stop developing then?). Ultimately it is forcing a finite game onto the world. Global south sounds like a…

> In other words, effectively developed = what we are, developing = trying to be what we are. That’s the plan, yes. > Ultimately it is forcing a finite game onto the world. Global south sounds like a better term. Except that it’s geographically inaccurate as well as kind of racist. Japan, Singapore, and Korea can get richer than France or Spain, but they still get lumped in with the other non-white people in “the glo…

What is the measure of richer? By median income, Japan and South Korea are slightly richer than Spain but poorer than France. They are higher by GDP per Capita, but I don't think that is a very good measure as it completely ignores extreme income inequality and would list several oil rich nations very high even though only a few very wealthy at the top benefit.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by kbenson » Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 5:52 AM UTC

strbean wrote: post #441

davidcsally wrote: post #365

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Just got hooked up in Oakland and loving it! Paying $70 less per month vs Comcast

I was in Dogtown a year ago, but Sonic was just reselling AT&T to our address :( Still very worthwhile to not have to talk to a Telco, but I had to rent + use AT&Ts garbage router because it did some proprietary negotiation step (With the ONT? There was a blog post where someone reverse engineered what was happening). Now I'm in a smaller city and Sonic claims they have plans for us some day. For the time being, it's…

I'm in the same boat. I work there and can only get the resold AT&T service because my neighborhood was built pre-wired for only Comcast and AT&T, making it hard to service.

Still, like you noted, not having to deal with AT&T is a great selling point to a lot of people, and we're known for good support, so I'd like to think we're providing as good a service as those people can get until we build out our network in their area.

We have aggressive plans for the future, so I hope we're in your area sooner than later. :)

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by ornornor » Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 5:56 AM UTC

neitsab wrote: post #409

ornornor wrote: post #185

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> enjoy the "European roaming data envelope" Which provider would you recommend? I remember taking a look a while back and the most viable option was Free, but 15.99 EUR a month for when I need roaming 3–4 times a year seemed a bit excessive at 180.- per year.

For your specific use case, I'd say give Lebara mobile a shot.[0] SIM card is free, you can top it up with a prepaid amount or do a one-month plan without renewing it, and I just checked their T&Cs relating to roaming and they are actually quite generous[1][2]. Besides, their website is (for the most part) translated in English due to their target demographic, so no need for full French fluency here! Some good info i…

Thanks. France really does have insanely good mobile plans!