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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by arcade79 »

404mm wrote: post #174

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

... Are you serious?

We got 1Gbit in 1999-2000 at work. Upgraded to this crazy IBM standard for wall sockets. Turned out to be unnecessary. We had 10Gbit at work in 2006. When I switched to one of the 'big internet companies' in 2008, every fucking server was supposed to have 10Gbit. In 2013, every fucking server was supposed to have 40Gbit.

We're now in 2022. 8 years later. And people argue about 25Gbit at home.

Ḯ'm a bit ashamed.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by CraigJPerry »

theideaofcoffee wrote: post #387
CraigJPerry wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you can now put 800 gigabit per second today, via commercially available kit, down a single strand of fibre installed back in the early 1980s. Copper or radio connections just don’t seem like as worthwhile an investment to me. I’m not saying it makes sense to have an 800gbit connection to a residential property but from a longevity, cost per mile, use of less rare materials, reduced rf interference or whateve…

The current commercial state-of-the-art is quite a bit higher, 25.6Tbps or thereabouts using a full 40 channel/color DWDM and 400g modules. But yes, copper or RF is IMO a non-starter for any new deployments.

That’s fantastically impressive

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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404mm wrote: post #174

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by arcade79 »

404mm wrote: post #340
Sakos wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Back to original question and with genuine curiosity - what is 25Gbit for??? What a pointless question. I wish people would stop worrying about this instead of simply making it possible, so we can figure out what to do with it.

… but that’s what I’m asking. What can I do with it? As I mentioned above, I have 1Gig and can go up to 5Gig. What can I do with it??

You can start a company, as a private person, and expect everything to work when you run it from home. Just as if you were to run it from anywhere else.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by fergbrain »

linsomniac wrote: post #383
404mm wrote: post #174

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

My understanding is that cat-5e, for short runs (45m) you'd find in a house, can do 10gig. I'm still running 6a for all my new runs, but probably didn't need to.

And there’s a good chance that 404mm’s cat5 would pass as cat5e.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by arcade79 »

kingcharles wrote: post #260
jonnylynchy wrote: post #7

On behalf of all tech-minded Americans, I would like to say... I hate you. I just got a notice in the mail that my ISP is "upgrading" their network so now I can pay $200 USD/month to get a whopping 2gbps, which I actually thought was pretty amazing until I read your post. So, thanks. In all seriousness, congrats! You made a good case for why one would need that much bandwidth. Also, we need to catch up here. :)

AT&T called me. They said their technical guys think they might be able to upgrade the connection to my building from 1.5Mbps to 3Mbps if I want to sign-up with them. I'm in downtown Chicago.

I really, really hope you told them to fuck the hell off.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by bin_bash »

thfuran wrote: post #312
ggpsv wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't a geographical denomination, but rather socioeconomic and political. Most of the countries in the global south denomination are actually in the northern hemisphere.

That seems like bad jargon.

idk, the "West" seems pretty bad too

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by arcade79 »

cm2187 wrote: post #5

Not convinced by the use case section. Very few servers will allow you a full 25gbit download, let alone anything more than a 1gbit (and often less). And if you own the server on the other end, that sort of bandwidth comes at a cost. I think beyond 1gbit, the benefit become super marginal and the hardware expensive.

So, I installed my 1Gbit home network around 20 years ago...

Quite frankly, I'd expected a 100Gbit uplink by now.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by neitsab »

ornornor wrote: post #185
neitsab wrote: post #177

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Reading this thread, I am reminded of how cheap telco prices are in France: e.g. in 2020, fibre internet plans averaged between €26 and €28.35 (USD 28-30 at current rates) per month.[0] Mobile plans are also on the cheap side, to the point of being competitive with many third world countries (for example, I wasn't that impressed with prices in Thailand in 2020 for comparable plans, only a 1-2€ difference with what I…

> enjoy the "European roaming data envelope" Which provider would you recommend? I remember taking a look a while back and the most viable option was Free, but 15.99 EUR a month for when I need roaming 3–4 times a year seemed a bit excessive at 180.- per year.

For your specific use case, I'd say give Lebara mobile a shot.[0]

SIM card is free, you can top it up with a prepaid amount or do a one-month plan without renewing it, and I just checked their T&Cs relating to roaming and they are actually quite generous[1][2].

Besides, their website is (for the most part) translated in English due to their target demographic, so no need for full French fluency here!

Some good info in English on the French telco landscape can be found at [3].

[0] https://mobile.lebara.com/fr/en/

[1] https://mobile.lebara.com/fr/en/international-call-rates

[2] https://mobile.lebara.com/fr/en/terms-and-conditions#section...: See section 2.4.2 (in French unfortunately)

[3] https://en.selectra.info/broadband-phone-france/guides/mobil...

Edit: missing word

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by karakanb »

vetinari wrote: post #292
bfz wrote: post #18

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Even where the ports are available, 25 Gbit from a single address is well into the realms of looking like attack traffic in a wide variety of scenarios. Past even 500 Mbit I'm way more interested in latency considerations than raw bandwidth, and practical matters like how to use that bandwidth from my laptop (good luck doing 500 mbit wireless reliably, never mind 25 Gbit!)

> good luck doing 500 mbit wireless reliably Most routers and wifi adapters are crap. Buyers do rarely go beyond "wifi 5" or "wifi 6", and do not realize that there's much more. The older Apple Macbook Pros (pre-2019) came with 3x3 MIMO ac adapters. If you had capable AP on the other side, you could reliably do gigabit with them. The newer ones have only 2x2 MIMO, just like the rest of the laptop market, so you will…

> Buyers do rarely go beyond "wifi 5" or "wifi 6", and do not realize that there's much more.

Would you mind elaborating on this? I would like to learn more to revamp my home setup, which is currently on wifi 5.

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